Registered and semi’s ?
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Daz W
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No matter whether its a club shoot, registered , or big comp, then I can imagine someone shooting Sportrap / Compak getting narked off if the person next to them is constantly pinging empty cartridges at them.
On an sporting layout, then as long as you're not walking into a cage littered with empties, then I can't really see how somebody's choice of gun matters at all.
All I'm concerned with is the safety aspect. If a S/A gun isn't in the slip, gun rack or in the shooters shoulder, then it's being carried safely: muzzle up, breech forward with the bolt back or preferably flagged. Just as I want to see a O/U being carried broken and empty.
I vaguely remember some talk of semi-auto spent shell clean up possibly being introduced into the rules. Not sure if this got any traction or not though.
On an sporting layout, then as long as you're not walking into a cage littered with empties, then I can't really see how somebody's choice of gun matters at all.
All I'm concerned with is the safety aspect. If a S/A gun isn't in the slip, gun rack or in the shooters shoulder, then it's being carried safely: muzzle up, breech forward with the bolt back or preferably flagged. Just as I want to see a O/U being carried broken and empty.
I vaguely remember some talk of semi-auto spent shell clean up possibly being introduced into the rules. Not sure if this got any traction or not though.
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Martinj
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I can remember years ago Semi-Auto shooters had the decency to look embarrassed about their empties flying all over the place and some made the effort to pick them up, but now in recent years, (in my experience) they leave them where they fall without a backward glance.
Although a bit annoying, I can see why this seems to have become accepted behaviour because, a lot of the time, the empties tend to end up in "out of bounds" areas on the other sides of ropes etc. then there is the time factor of having to wait for someone to scrabble around picking up empties before the next person can shoot, this can only increase queues at busy stands and nobody wants to hang around any more than they have to
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And that’s my concern … I would always use a magstick, so even I wait for the squad to shoot, I’ll hold people up picking up my empties..
For the few seconds it takes to collect the spent shells with a magstick, I dont think people will mind. If they do, point out to them that you are also picking up the shells of those using opening guns too.
A good idea is to practise unloading the auto safely before you shoot it.
Mark Edwards
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Here in the 'states, no one cares a bit if you shoot a semi, even at 5 stand. They care if you are SAFE with whatever you shoot. At smaller shoots, and all practice days, it is considered to be quite gauche to NOT pick up your empties with a magnet stick (unless the range has a "ours if it hits the ground" rule, which is no longer common). At bigger tournaments, you are encouraged NOT to pick up your empties, as it adds time to a (usually) already crowded situation. The trapper picks them all up at the end of the day in those situations. YMMV.
Figgy
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Go for it I shoot a sei auto at clays when I feel like it, if others have an issue with ejected cases they can step back or put up with it. You carry on and enjoy your shooting. Lots of people shoot them due to injury and being lighter less recoil allows them to continue the sport. Every sport has moaners, ignore them.
Martinj
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yes we see semi-autos so frequently these days no-one bats an eyelid
Yeah. When you're trying to get 70 or so shooters through a three gun match with four or five stages, picking up empties after each shooter isn't gonna happen.
Only time I don't pick up empties is at semi auto shoots, as no one else does either
Because I don't want empty shell cases under my feet when I'm shooting. I no longer bother with Comps, and I try to leave a 'clean' stand for the next shooter, too. I suppose it comes fron running a ground for so many years, it becomes second nature to pick up empties.Why should a fellow competitor pick other shooter's empties that they cannot be bothered to catch
Oldblaster
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There has been some big comps won in the past by auto shooters, Duncan Lawton for one the first 100 straight at sporting if l remember right. As long as a flag is used l don't see a problem, also I've seen plenty over and under shooters firing there empties all over the place willy nilly!
Problem with flags, is they fall out when the breech is open. The clips that are sold to stick in the breech, remove the blueing around the ejection port. I have an American design which is made of a soft rubber, that's OK, but bottom line is muzzle awareness, ALWAYS.
leighH
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If you shoot Compak Sporting a semi auto is required to be fitted with a deflector to stop spent cartridges hitting your neighbour.
FITASC sporting requires all spent cartridges to be placed in the bin before leaving the Peg, no matter the type of action. So auto users carry a mag stick.
Regards
Leigh
FITASC sporting requires all spent cartridges to be placed in the bin before leaving the Peg, no matter the type of action. So auto users carry a mag stick.
Regards
Leigh
I shoot a lot of "practical shotgun" (Section 1 FAC guns, either box-feds or pumps/semis with 10+ round internal magazines), most of us use Magload flags, they don't damage the gun and fit like a glove, don't fall out when the muzzle is up https://magload.co.uk/product/breech-flag/
