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Only used 32gr 4 steel in 12g and they were far too lively for lightweight guns.Have used a few 25gr steel in 20b and they work to a point...I was just wondering what can be achieved in loads for 6-6.5lb guns in game loads really.....I find 26gr No6 lead works fine...

Given the lighter weight/volume of steel shot,surely the manufacturers could load 22-24 gram loads which would work in lighter game guns etc for normal game shooting . Or am I missing something?

It`s the EU that`s `severely hazardous`......

We were blessed with a dry day on Wednesday thankfully! The ground conditions are atrocious everywhere now I`d guess but we had some well presented birds over us despite the wet underfoot. I did hear that some shoots have abandoned their season due to flooding ,uncut maize crops etc,etc .

How are peoples days going up to now? The weather hasn`t been the kindest for showing game for several weeks now . Got my 2nd partridge day tomorrow and it looks like a dry day forecast which is good,1st wasn`t too bad,only the 1st drive was damp.Have heard a few horror stories with disease...

Are they better/cheaper than anything else? Seen them in cartridge bins over the yrs but not in shops.....

Depends on the wood really....better the quality the more likely it will hold the adjustment.

Designed by kids on computers .........to be an `improvement` on the previous model.

AG&L for the s/s shoot yesterday ,good,sensible course,excellent atmoshere,a great day out!

30gm No6.

TT1`s....good cartridges!

Just cut a Rapeed open and make it 2.1 -2.2mm shot in a 2.4mm marked cartridge.Soft lead too by the amount in front of cones! They break clays ok though.

Don`t know but you get used to a cartridge then they change them,most recent is Blue Diamonds,used the last of a batch I`d been working through for a couple of yrs...bought another couple of slabs(luckily not more) ,different case ,printing & much more recoil ! The previous lot were a lovely...

The greatest problem you`ll have is finding a cartridge that remains the same for long,manufacturers seem unable to keep them consistent !

Totally agree but give them time........

They`ll come into their own once they`ve taken lead off us !

Better quality than current production,chopper lump barrels ,can have full length trigger guard tangs,panels & points etc. Basically all the big names have gradually cut corners on manufacturing methods ,so as to cut costs & maintain their profit margins...not to build better guns!

Ultimately the cost will go up as the bags were reduced,whether you are prepared to pay more for less will be a personal choice,no doubt largely governed by ability to pay. Sadly this will probably affect people who appreciate the smaller day!!!! One thing that I`ve noted is how few people...

Get a Model 12 !!!

Its always the greedy ones who spoil it ! I`ve watched a chap who is a regular at one shoot I visit and I  reckon he always shoots 50% more than he should.He can  shoot good stuff too but has to shoot at low stuff.....