30,60,90

[40UP]

Using the rifle range at Doveridge we did some pattern tests at 30, 60 and 90yds. Cartridges chosen were Supreme FITASC 28gm 6.5 shot, JK6 36gm Italian 4 shot and Express HeviShot 31gm 4 shot all chosen for their long range abilities. For the Hevishot a half choke Perazzi barrel was used, for the other two a Browning full choke fixed trap barrel was thought appropriate. The boards are 32" square. For 90yd only the hold point was raised to the top of the board. A lot of walking was involved. Alan68 offered to hide behind the target at 90yd - he reckoned he'd be safe.

30yds            Supreme          JK6             Hevishot

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60yds

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90yds marked with pen, arrow indicates pellets visibly embedded in corrugated cardboard though they were free to pass through.

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Enjoy - off to Hodnet now

 

[Jim Wheeler]

interesting, to say the least!

looks like most clays are safe at 70yards, especially if you use 28gm no 7.5 as is mostly used for sporting.

if it`s not the gaps, the lack of velocity will ensure a miss!!!

 

[ips]

Wow, very interesting.

 

[ExSCA]

Interesting tests, thanks for sharing. 

 

[Dog Tyred]

Think I'd be more concerned with the massive holes in the 28 g at 30 yards !!

DT

 

[Bebo]

Think I'd be more concerned with the massive holes in the 28 g at 30 yards !!

DT

Maybe the shot was taken a bit high rather than the holes being in the middle of the pattern?

 

[Will Hewland]

Here is the irony with shot size. you HUGELY reduce the pellet count by going to bigger size, yet it is only at distance that you want lots of pellets!!

I do a fair bit of pattern testing and am always shocked when you pattern 7.5 against 8. The 8 looks like a huge increase in pellet count and tiny holes in the cardboard versus 7.5. So 6 and 4 shot is a colossal reduction.. I could quote the pellet count, but that aside, the visual difference is huge; hence the massive gaps in the pattern shown above.

 

[Garwood]

They look pretty poor patterns for heavily choked barrels don`t they ?

I`ve patterned 7.5`s mostly,but 29gr 6.5 shot through skeet,1/4 and 3/8 Teagues at 30m gave much better than the 6.5`s shown.

Just shows how different results can be barrel to barrel !

 

[Bryn12]

This is why one of my projects early next year is to set up a pattern plate where, over time I can test just about every combo I can think of. Other consideration is that a pattern plate only gives you a 2D representation whereas a shot cloud is 3D even more so as it gets further out so there are probably more and larger holes.

 

[Hamster]

A chap I know from pigeon shooting reckoned wearing a Barbour he'd crouched and offered his back to 32g of 6/7 shot at 85 yards !! Looking at the 90 yard patterns and seeing some failed to pass through cardboard you can see his point, more to the point it begs the question how people fold pheasants at 90 yards when you're hard pushed to penetrate through the plumage let alone worrying over pattern sparseness. 

 

[Jim Wheeler]

Bryn said;;

This is why one of my projects early next year is to set up a pattern plate where, over time I can test just about every combo I can think of. Other consideration is that a pattern plate only gives you a 2D representation whereas a shot cloud is 3D even more so as it gets further out so there are probably more and larger holes.

I foresee about 6 pages of `how to measure a (piece) of string to see how long it is?

 

[jwpzx9r]

Think I'd be more concerned with the massive holes in the 28 g at 30 yards !!

DT

Well knowing that 40UP is a tarpie I think the pattern above the centre line is not bad for trap shooting don' think you would have too much problem providing you put it on target.

 

[Jan Powell]

Bloody hell, steady on... Sporting shooters talking about pellet counts and pattern size. Get back to your muddy fields or you'll be wearing blinkers shooting trap next!

 

[Garwood]

A chap I know from pigeon shooting reckoned wearing a Barbour he'd crouched and offered his back to 32g of 6/7 shot at 85 yards !! Looking at the 90 yard patterns and seeing some failed to pass through cardboard you can see his point, more to the point it begs the question how people fold pheasants at 90 yards when you're hard pushed to penetrate through the plumage let alone worrying over pattern sparseness. 

I`ve been shot several times in the 80-150yd range and can confirm that it hurts,even when it doesn`t penetrate clothing or skin !

 

[chippy]

A chap I know from pigeon shooting reckoned wearing a Barbour he'd crouched and offered his back to 32g of 6/7 shot at 85 yards !! Looking at the 90 yard patterns and seeing some failed to pass through cardboard you can see his point, more to the point it begs the question how people fold pheasants at 90 yards when you're hard pushed to penetrate through the plumage let alone worrying over pattern sparseness.

When i'am shooting 90 yard pheasants I aim for the ear. It channels the shot straight to the brain.

 

[Jim Wheeler]

where`s the ears on a Midi, then?      I know at 90 yards they got wings, in pairs in the desert,,   rankster:

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[Rosso]

When i'am shooting 90 yard pheasants I aim for the ear. It channels the shot straight to the brain.

I use these on 90 yd pheasants and blokes bending over wearing Barbour's.

 

[Shaun Hopkins]

I use these on 90 yd pheasants and blokes bending over wearing Barbour's.

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[Salopian]

40UP,

 A very enlightening post.

Should help to educate a few.

Remember it only takes one or two pellets to break a clay at long distance , but a bird will require at least 4 pellet strikes in vital organs to kill efficiently.

A 60 yard high Pheasant is an awesome sight, before raising your gun to one , be confident that you have the skill to dispatch it and that you have a suitable cartridge in the order of size 4 or 5 shot and possibly 36 to 46 grams of it. I have never been a firm believer that one ounce of No 6 will kill anything!

One of the most revealing facts in the above photographs is to make sure that you pattern your chosen load through your chosen choke constriction at your expected shot distance, not a lot of fun to be had going to Chargot , Molland , Brigands, Whitfield , with one ounce of sixes.