aiming and stuff

[ips]

My shooting turned a corner when I drew a dotted orange line down the middle of the rib. 

I knew a very very good ot shooter who returned from lonato with day glo paint on the end of his barrel around the bead. On questioning it we were told it was applied by a very very accomplished Italian shooter and coach.

go figure

 

[Will Hewland]

do you struggle with orange clays though ?

When I get lined up the whole thing looks like a lollipop. Distracts me..

 

[ips]

go beadless is the way forward IMO of course 

thank you for your serious reply. Have tried it but didn't like it

 

[evoracer]

thank you for your serious reply. Have tried it but didn't like it

it took me a while but it stooped me staring at the bead like a gormless half wit!

 

[Rosso]

it took me a while but it stooped me staring at the bead like a gormless half wit!

are you saying Ian is a gormless half wit.

 

[ips]

let me just clarify that inever ever focus on my bead but I am aware of it in my peripheral vision. I have had this conversation personally with arguably the best ot shooter the uk has ever had who concurs with me that it is needed as an aid. That's good enough for me.

I knew this would open the flood gates ?

 

[evoracer]

are you saying Ian is a gormless half wit.

them words did not leave my mouth 

nor fingers 

 

[westley]

do you struggle with orange clays though ?

No, he just tears down the dotted line !

I knew a very very good ot shooter who returned from lonato with day glo paint on the end of his barrel around the bead. On questioning it we were told it was applied by a very very accomplished Italian shooter and coach.

go figure

With a wicked sense of humour !      :lol:

 

[Rosso]

let me just clarify that inever ever focus on my bead but I am aware of it in my peripheral vision. I have had this conversation personally with arguably the best ot shooter the uk has ever had who concurs with me that it is needed as an aid. That's good enough for me.

I knew this would open the flood gates ?

I thought you was talking about sporting you wat evo bud said. What is ot ffs. 

 

[EdLyons]

please elaborate ?.

I honestly thought you were joking! Are the sporting targets you're referring to the just type that are quartering away?

 

[westley]

I honestly thought you were joking! Are the sporting targets you're referring to the just type that are quartering away?

You can laugh, you can jest.......................just make sure you do not do the Cheshire Shield, my money is on ips in any shoot offs !    

 

[ips]

no not joking merely trying to learn as much as I can about how esp targets are shot having spent thirty years shooting competitive trap and assuming it may need a different approach on certain targets such as the ones that go up and stall, the way I see it is that these need a conciuos aim at the bottom edge just as they stall.

anyway no matter, if folk don't want to help me with serious replies I will just ring the many experienced sporting shooters and coaches that I know for free advice. Just thought it would be an interesting topic not just for me but for any guests that may be researching stuff.

I will get my coat and then email salopian. He once said to me the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask

 

[FreeShot]

no not joking merely trying to learn as much as I can about how esp targets are shot having spent thirty years shooting competitive trap and assuming it may need a different approach on certain targets such as the ones that go up and stall, the way I see it is that these need a conciuos aim at the bottom edge just as they stall

I believe it is more about feeling and timing on those than actual aiming - gunhold slightly under their peak so gun move is just a couple of inches  -  they are slowing down so I take them slooow and shoot them bottom just as I feel the teal is about to stop...if I'd shoot them as you see it I'd be shooting over them...

 

[westley]

Just to finalise Guy's, to all those that can categorically state that they are conscious of seeing the bead on their gun when actually shooting, it must be hell for you when driving in the rain, what with your head going back and forth in time with the wipers  !    

 

[ips]

fteeshot

interesting, thank you.

ps

I admire the likes of dark side and evo and ed who say they don't need em and remove them. For those that say they don't need em, I chalenge you to stand by your conviction and take em off then report back

 

[Rosso]

Sorry Ian you sensitive ***. I have the smallest K bead that they do, no centre bead Ed Solomons lost it. I use it as a reference point only but it is handy for rifling out certain types of target. It is evident in my field of vision for some targets. The best thing to do is try different things, techniques, as you will need them all in your armoury. Take the bead out see what happens, I personally like a bead on the gun does not seem right without it. 

When target goes up or incomes and stalls mount and shoot. The more you line it up the more you miss and a very good shot told me most are missed underneath. 

Hope this helps and that's £50.

 

[ips]

Just to finalise Guy's, to all those that can categorically state that they are conscious of seeing the bead on their gun when actually shooting, it must be hell for you when driving in the rain, what with your head going back and forth in time with the wipers  !    

you can be concious of your wipers without watching them !!!!

just saying

Sorry Ian you sensitive ***. I have the smallest K bead that they do, no centre bead Ed Solomons lost it. I use it as a reference point only but it is handy for rifling out certain types of target. It is evident in my field of vision for some targets. The best thing to do is try different things, techniques, as you will need them all in your armoury. Take the bead out see what happens, I personally like a bead on the gun does not seem right without it. 

When target goes up or incomes and stalls mount and shoot. The more you line it up the more you miss and a very good shot told me most are missed underneath. 

Hope this helps and that's £50.

a reference point, exactly my point and the input I was looking for

 

[westley]

The only time that I am conscious of the wipers is when the blades need replacing !  The point is I am never ever conscious of seeing the bead on the gun at any time or on any target. I can remember having a Grand European many years ago, another shooter asked if he could try it and pointed out the lack of a bead, which was a bloomin big white thing, I do not know how long the bead had been missing,  I had never even noticed it had gone. The only time that I see a bead is if it is a bloody great flourescent thing that you can not really miss.

 

[ips]

Beretta perazzi browning have been producing guns for hundreds of years and have always fitted beads. Those that say they don't need them are deluded Imo. Remove them by all means but all you do is use the rib as a sighting aid. Believe it or believe it not this is Imo the reality

 

[Will Hewland]

IPS, assuming you look at the clay (and that's a good idea) the moment you apply any visual lead (gap), you are looking away / to the side of the gun at the clay and not looking down the rib, so certainly then not looking at a bead. 

Beads are OK for when you are at home, pointing at the clock or a mark on the wall, to see if you are mounted and lining up ok. There is one on my gun but I don't think I've ever noticed it. Until about two years ago, my long sightedness (uncorrected) meant that the muzzle was way out of focus anyway.