Cartridge Prices £98 per Thousand

[Salopian]

With the drop in Lead price and Oil price, combined with the lack of pay increases over the last few years .

When will the cost of cartridges drop to a sensible price?

Give me good reasons apart from greed for there not to be a reduction in cost.

If we saw some worthwhile reductions in profiteering, maybe we could get new blood into the sport and then an increase in sales of guns, cartridges, and related equipment.

 

[MJJ]

Customer- So when will the price of shells be going down

Seller- They won't sir, we have millions in stock and until they are sold, they will remain at the old price.

            Would you like a new O/U to go with those sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If were lucky they may go down by 5% in the end - BUT that will depend on the time of year as well

DID you mention G R E E D 

 

[RobertBeard]

What manufacturer is going to cut his price if his competition isn't cutting their price and the punters are not up in arms?

 

[Rosso]

I wouldn't buy 10000 right now.

Like you would be silly to fill your car up with fuel unless you have too.

 

[Madmillie]

What manufacturer is going to cut his price if his competition isn't cutting their price and the punters are not up in arms?

the sort of manufacturer that wants to grab a much bigger slice of market share and hopefully with it continued brand loyalty from those converted to their products...... Too simplistic a view perhaps?
MM

 

[Jim Wheeler]

in theory, if fuel, cartridges, food, etc go down in price as suggested,, then salaries'  should also, as your costs are lower.

I suppose it doesn't work like that tho`,, hey ?  :crazy:

 

[Rosso]

I've not had a pay rise for 7 years. My wife works for local authority the same.

Everything's gone up in that time. So good if it all comes down again. No tears in my eye,s for poor old BP, Tesco, M&S and the rest of poor hard done by retailers.

Shells at one point were going up every time I brought 3000 or so.

Transport costs reducing alone, should bring the price down.

A online shell retailer is still charging £15.00 / 1000 delivery.

 

[Will Hewland]

As Battue says, stock is a problem. Economists tel us that deflation is a problem, for reasons such as this. Cheaper-tomorrow causes weird purchasing behaviour and businesses have some juggling to do. Imagine if somebody like Hull knocked £20 /1000 off overnight. What do they tell their dealer who bought 100,000 cartridges from them last week?

But, yes, if prices of materials stay low, it should trickle through as a price decrease but it is unlikely to happen quickly.

 

[Rosso]

I worked for Exxon.

Same thing with petrol. If it was going up in the budget we made sure every petrol station in the country was brimmed to gain the max profit. I'll bet there are a lot of petrol stations running near empty now as the price is falling.

Corner shops won't sell stamps if they know they are going up in price. It goes on.

The problem with shells is that they are not purchased frequently. So it seems like they go up every time you buy them.

So knocking £20 /1000 off no one would know about it anyway not like fuel, bread etc.

Hull did it with Superfast sold them cheap to get them out there then jacked up the price. So they can sell them at a cheaper price.

 

[Rosso]

It all contributes to an overall cost. Stock levels at one price say high would not be sold at low prices. But purchased at low prices and then held onto anticipating a rise in price this is ok as is business.

So the end user pays.

Everything is geared to getting as much out of the consumer as possible.

Why should shells be any different.

One gun shop I know has been refused Eley shells as another shop in the next town sells them.

Over heads different on one might be cheaper than the other. So this could be reflected in the price. No free market here.

Where's the competition?

 

[Nimbusgb]

Please forgive me ....... I'm bored with programming today!

As topdog said, Lead is as low as it was 8 years ago at around $1830 per tonne

The price is heading down at the moment as well.

BUT

You get a little under 36000 28 gram loads out of a tonne.

So the cost of the lead in a slab of 28g 7 1/2's is 1830 ( $ cost per tonne ) / 35714 ( carts per tonne ignoring alloys ) / 1.4993 ( Dollar Sterling conversion ) * 250 ( carts in a slab ) = £8.54 ( about 5% of the entire cost of a cheap cartridge )

Even at its peak of $4000 per tonne the cost of lead in the same 250 cartridges was £18.67  

So the cost of lead has surprisingly little bearing of the cost of a slab of cartridges!

Some manufacturer may drop the wholesale price a tenner per 1000 but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to get to £98/1000 !

 

 

[Jim Wheeler]

at the risk of going off topic,,  :biggrin:    , what Nimbusgb says is correct,, in that anything you can think of,, air travel, cars , bus fares,  , delivery cost of goods ,container ships,, anything that can be taxed !  , the base cost of the product is not even 10% , the rest is production costs, distribution, modest profit ,and of course taxes!  , so the net gain of a reduction in cost at  the consumer is negligible, I`m surprised the car fuel price came down 10p or so ,  but it stops all the moaning about the rest of stuff that's not reduced.

but you new that anyway , ! :biggrin:

 

[Paul120]

Not sure I understand..

From the calculations above 250 the cost of lead at its peak was £10 more.

Therefore £40 per 1000

The general cost of a low to mid priced cart ( Olympics /rc2/ Clever T2s etc. about £100 per 1000.

Add £40 to £100 + a bit of additional VAT and transport costs etc. it comes out at I guess close to the £160 -£175 mark of todays prices.

Ok a petty simplistic logical breakdaown of costs.. but possibly £40 worth of headroom for reducing the price before tax.

As suggested might need a brave manufacturer to go first and disrupt the status quo.

Typical of the prisoner's dilemma.

 

[Salopian]

Can you not remember when cartridge prices increased not too long ago when Lead price and Oil price increased , so the cartridge manufacturers had no choice but to pass on the increases because of increased production costs and transport (diesel fuel) costs?

 

[Rupert]

They will stay as they are but will probably go up when oil goes back up to cover those increased production costs.

 

[Salopian]

Amazing how many people have selective memory.

 

[Darkside]

Fact is cartridges went up in price not that long ago, the reasons given were the high price of lead, high oil prices, high fuel prices and don't forget the weak exchange rate between Pound Sterling and the Euro...FACT!!!

 

[Fortis Mark]

I believe the forecast for lead prices is on an upward trend. A contributing factor being mine closures affecting supply side.

Looking at the price per tonne of a commodity is a narrow view. There is a complex supply chain, and factors here are probably having a greater effect on cartridge prices in recent years than the raw material cost.

 

[Paul120]

Bought some cartridges today and can confirm that they haven't gone up since last month.