Cartridge Prices £98 per Thousand

[Paul120]

Actually just thinking about cartridges..what really gets under my skin is the quality of them recently..

Hard primers causing misfires in my Perazzi-browning and Beretta 682 & DT10.

Problem seens to rotate around all the makers...Bar none.

Best one I had recently was shooting a 10 bird DTL pool shoot. I shot the last target, didn't have enough recoil to reset the second barrel.

Everyone on the line and watching burst out laughing, still recorded as a loss though.

also I had some from a well know make given to me that are 12 years old. Shot 50 and bought 1000 new ones on the back of their performance. The new ones were totally different, inconsistent punchy and crap kills in comparison.

cut one of each batch open and found the wads and powder were different.

 

[Salopian]

Constructive criticism is not moaning! Value for money seems to have escaped your understanding and like most women you seem to think you are always right !

Like most men I will ignore you.

 

[Nimbusgb]

Not sure I understand..

From the calculations above 250 the cost of lead at its peak was £10 more.

Therefore £40 per 1000

The general cost of a low to mid priced cart ( Olympics /rc2/ Clever T2s etc. about £100 per 1000.

Add £40 to £100 + a bit of additional VAT and transport costs etc. it comes out at I guess close to the £160 -£175 mark of todays prices.

Ok a petty simplistic logical breakdaown of costs.. but possibly £40 worth of headroom for reducing the price before tax.

As suggested might need a brave manufacturer to go first and disrupt the status quo.

Typical of the prisoner's dilemma.

Where are you getting carts at £100 / 1000? More like £150

Current cost of lead per 1000 is about £25 so even a 25% swing in the cost of pb ( unlikely ) makes a difference of only £6 per 1000. I suspect that if things hold out as they are at the moment then there might be a short term fight for market share based on some special pricings but I'd be surprised if it was more than £10 or £15 per 1000.

The euro is in free fall at the moment and that may have an advantage to the manufacturers as well as I believe just about everyone uses Spanish manufactured primers istbcot. It may get a lot more so depending on the outcome in Greece this weekend.

Of course it'll all go to hell in a handbasket in a couple of months if 'Wallace' and his spendthrift crowd gets in and proceeds to plunge us and our grandkids all further into debt!

 

[Paul120]

Just logical thinking.. prices around 2007-8 were around £100 per thousamd.

Your maths indicated that lead cost was Around £8.50 per 250 rising to £18.50 per 250 at its peak. 4x10 = 40.

Add to old price plus taxes is about todays price 2015.

everyone keeps saying that lead price is back to its old pre increase prices.

Bored mow..

Going shooting..

 

[Nimbusgb]

Just logical thinking.. prices around 2007-8 were around £100 per thousamd.

Your maths indicated that lead cost was Around £8.50 per 250 rising to £18.50 per 250 at its peak. 4x10 = 40.

Add to old price plus taxes is about todays price 2015.

everyone keeps saying that lead price is back to its old pre increase prices.

Bored mow..

Going shooting..

Me too

 

[chanonry]

All very interesting, but the price will not go down simply because it has been at that level in the market for a while. We, the shooter, have shown the manufacturers and retailers that we are prepared to pay this price.

Presumably the volume drop off when the price went up was insufficient for them to look at the price and reduce it i.e. the profit impact was insufficient to force a change.

At the same time the manufacturers introduced new high volume products at a lower price point to satisfy the supposedly budget shooter which presumably also gives them an acceptable margin.

What is interesting is the performance of these cartridges. Some of these 21gr 7.5 shells are great. Why do we use heavier loads ?? I know, I know...

So if you really want to give them the finger, switch to these lower margin products. If we all do it (fat chance) then the margin on the premium shells will not come through for the manufacturer and we may see a price reduction. If you don't, then don't complain because your acceptance of the price is holding it up !

 

[BTC3]

Edit: chanonry, agree with you, wrote my post below before reading yours...

This all presumes cost+ pricing, whereas it is more likely to be market pricing: you charge what people will pay and hope to make the most margin possible given your cost base.

Unless one manufacturer decides to go for market share and drop price, making others follow, why would anyone cannibalise the market?

Further, I think many cartridges in the UK are sold by distributors, so they will have bought stock expecting to sell at a given price. The manufacturer would have to dictate a lower rrp by offering some sort of future rebate, which would go down like a lead balloon.

Given this, short of a manufacturer making a move, or sufficient consumer pressure being applied, I guess it's unlikely to see lower prices. And even then I can't see consumer pressure doing the trick.

 

[Angelfire]

Rules of business, make/buy cheap - sell for as much as you can. Seems like the cartridge manufacturer has read the rule book.

Phil*

 

[Jim Wheeler]

Rules of business, make/buy cheap - sell for as much as you can. Seems like the cartridge manufacturer has read the rule book.

seems to be the same book the shotgun makers have read too, appears to be some dissatisfaction with the latest entry models.

 

[Zulu Dave]

I bought a slab of cheap unknown Spanish 28g No. 7's in South Africa in October last year.  Had 4 misfires in 100 shots and this cr@p  cost me close to £345/1000. 

 

[Julesy]

Constructive criticism is not moaning! Value for money seems to have escaped your understanding and like most women you seem to think you are always right !

Like most men I will ignore you.

Wow.

Glad my vote went to someone who appreciates my opinion regardless of my gender.

 

[diver682]

Constructive criticism is not moaning! Value for money seems to have escaped your understanding and like most women you seem to think you are always right !

Like most men I will ignore you.

How not to win the women`s vote !!

 

[shootinguru]

:fie:  I voted for Nigel Farage! :crazy:

 

[Salopian]

I said 'most' women. Not ALL women.

I would not have expected Julesy to vote for me, she would have been very disloyal.

I fully realise that there is probably not a cat in hell's chance of prices dropping , but it should not stop someone highlighting how the cost of materials and reasons that the manufacturers used to raise prices are now not so valid.

Really no point in protesting at all because we are a captive market , we have to buy cartridges , no matter what the cost . As previously stated we have had it good for a very long time.

 

[diver682]

I said 'most' women. Not ALL women.

I would not have expected Julesy to vote for me, she would have been very disloyal.

I fully realise that there is probably not a cat in hell's chance of prices dropping , but it should not stop someone highlighting how the cost of materials and reasons that the manufacturers used to raise prices are now not so valid.

Really no point in protesting at all because we are a captive market , we have to buy cartridges , no matter what the cost . As previously stated we have had it good for a very long time.

Oh yeah sure that's much better.....Most woman!! .. I don't think you're back pedalling quick enough :haha:   

 

[Nimbusgb]

When you've fallen in a hole .......... don't get your shovel out!    

 

[Salopian]

Certainly not back pedalling or digging out of a hole at all.

I often disagree with Nicola's opinion.

 

[Rosso]

Ahhh - Woman can't live with them - can't live without them.

 

[Rosso]

Back on topic.

So what are we - men - walking vibrators.

I'm reporting you for sexism to Matt who is a man and will agree with us men.

 

[sarachambers]

Your "clarification" has made you look an even greater twerp.

But that's what I love about freedom of speech - it flushes out the idiots.

I said 'most' women. Not ALL women.

I would not have expected Julesy to vote for me, she would have been very disloyal.

I fully realise that there is probably not a cat in hell's chance of prices dropping , but it should not stop someone highlighting how the cost of materials and reasons that the manufacturers used to raise prices are now not so valid.

Really no point in protesting at all because we are a captive market , we have to buy cartridges , no matter what the cost . As previously stated we have had it good for a very long time.