clay shooting online vid

[ips]

interested in peoples view of this vid.

good advice or not etc ???

 

[Worcs]

Seems like common sense.

 

[wylye]

Isn't this a long, drawn out presentation of how to shoot with maintained lead? Its hardly new or ground breaking. Or maybe it is in the states.

 

[Skeet UK]

Doesn't work so well for swing through proponents, unless you follow for a moment.

I use this method, sometimes combined with pull away, for much of my shooting.

The key is matching gun/target speed.

 

[Will Hewland]

Some stuff Gil Ash says, I just can't reconcile. Personally I agree matching (or almost matching) the speed of the target and the muzzle is usually a great thing. It means you can perceive the lead (gap) well, which can only assist for consistency. Personally I think that for most shots, swing-through is horrible because the mismatch in speed is too hard too regulate.

If I was coaching cartoon man in this video, I would be telling him two things to improve on: 

A) Don't hinge the gun from the shoulder / butt. Swinging the gun up to your face leads to chaos with your gun fit and sight picture. 

B ) Better to touch the muzzle on to the clay, then pull away gently to establish the gap. This will help with line, especially if the target is starting to roll over as they so often are. Coming up from underneath to the kill point will catch you out if the target is now dropping a bit.

 

[ips]

I happened upon it whilst browsing. I find the delivery of the narrative quite odd ?

couldn't quite decide if it was helpful or not hence the post. I remain in a constant struggle to settle on a method, thirty odd years of nothing but trap I have now realised has totally stuffed my shooting in general. Every presentation of clay or bird seems difficult to me and its beginning to really bug me.

I tell myself that I haven't shot much in the last twelve months but even so it annoys me.

rant over

 

[Les53]

I happened upon it whilst browsing. I find the delivery of the narrative quite odd ?

couldn't quite decide if it was helpful or not hence the post. I remain in a constant struggle to settle on a method, thirty odd years of nothing but trap I have now realised has totally stuffed my shooting in general. Every presentation of clay or bird seems difficult to me and its beginning to really bug me.

I tell myself that I haven't shot much in the last twelve months but even so it annoys me.

rant over

Well Ian, yes shooting trap for that long gives you a sense of everything being shot on auto pilot as we both know. Now and then I did shoot a little sporting and some skeet too, whenever I did shoot those things I just shot them as I was fist taught to shoot, basically a mixture of swing through and maintained lead, depending on the type of target being presented. And I always shot them gun down too. If you're getting bugged by it, well just go and have a few lessons mate. 

 

[ips]

auto pilot....

that's exactly it mate, I just don't seem to ge able to give any thought to the shot and if I try and shoot it on auto pilot as you describe it my trap brain takes over and I am pretty sure little or no lead is imparted. I seem to be able to get away with driven as its trap in reverse ? but crossers and stuff are another matter

 

[Oldblaster]

It's just maintained lead, the target appears to slow down, but does not allow you anymore time! Swinging at the exact same speed as the target in my opinion is 80% of a successful kill, (as long as your gun fits) 20% is keeping your mind on the job in hand, on every shot repeatedly. 

 

[DavidJ]

The target appears to slow down on that clear 'Sky' background where there's no reference points, put a tree line in and they'd still be going fast.

 

[Hamster]

Not convinced this is classic maintained or even pull away, raising the gun from below to a point in front whilst moving is what it is  :clover:  nothing wrong with that either, I have found it to work well on high, slow speed but rising slightly angled crossers, the only difference being that the purpose is to kinda spot shoot and avoid too much conscious lead. 

Whatever it is, the point to remember is that maintained where you start in front means that by definition you have not found the line by overtaking the clay first but by your own judgement, therefore it tends to best suit experienced shooters who can detect subtleties beforehand. 

 

[Oldblaster]

 l agree It's not classic maintained lead because the insertion point is not on the flight line, but it's near as damn it! Swing speed is important if not the same speed as the target, it will vary the lead and then move into the realms of interception, hence why often shooters see different perceived lead for the same bird.

 

[wylye]

God help us!

 

[schmokinn]

On occasion on targets that appear to be dropping i do draw the line under the bird by maybe a metre or two but still try to stay in front the whole time so i get the idea of starting under it.

But the way i see him moving up from behind looks like a recipe for shooting over the top.

 

[Salopian]

A couple of things .

You have to realise that Gil Ash is practically a Clown and most of his stuff is stolen off someone else and then repackaged into Texas Nonsense .

Secondly , IPS you don't listen very often and when you do , you still do it your way which you have proved numerous times doesn't work. :smile: :smile: :smile:

 

[ips]

A couple of things .

You have to realise that Gil Ash is practically a Clown and most of his stuff is stolen off someone else and then repackaged into Texas Nonsense .

Secondly , IPS you don't listen very often and when you do , you still do it your way which you have proved numerous times doesn't work. :smile: :smile: :smile:

this I cannot argue with. I am and always have been a right awkward contrary git that's for sure. I am however beginning to realise that this sporting and game mallarkey requires more than a gun up and hope method. I assumed I could shoot it the same way I shoot trap (and I am reasonably competent trap shooter) and that is to just do it on auto pilot as les referred to it. But it ain't happening as planned.

 

[jwpzx9r]

The target appears to slow down on that clear 'Sky' background where there's no reference points, put a tree line in and they'd still be going fast.

I really don't think so not for the shooter at least he is trying to kill or break the target. The eye is focusing in the dove/clay not the back ground it would still work in a tree filled scene... that is what separates the greats from also ran's, the greats see only the target nothing else of consequence ... I would say anyway. Think about it you are trying to shoot a target you see the target not all the other junk in the background... if you are actually seeing all the background there is no way you can break the clay/kill the bird with any consistency . An outsider looking at the scene would possible see but the shooter should actually only see the bird all the background would be peripheral .

 

[AW13]

probably why I sometimes seem to hit the background - it's bigger so you see more of it !!

but point taken, when I am focusing properly I don't see anything but the clay, no lead, no gap, it just seems to break.  Wish I could do it with 100% consistancy

 

[Oldblaster]

There is a theory that if you focus solely on the clay, your brain will automatically calculate the correct lead. The problem is we think we know better, and try to make sure and miss. Sometimes l have no idea how l kill some birds, it's normally when l let "The force be with me!" As you say l can't do it very often wish l could.