CPSA RULES

[chippy]

I see this type of behavior now and again at different shoots and I always take the same action. I find the nearest fat shooter male or female ( iam no sexist)  and stand so they are between me and the transgressor.

 

[westley]

This doesnt seem to deter them, they are just so adamant they are in the right and absolutely the best safest shooter in all the world. It a standard bull ship reaction to being confronted. Experienced this from all kinds Instructors in company jackets one even used "ive shot for england" as his excuse. Doesn't deter me as in quite robust,i talk quiet and let them do the shouting.My fone is in the car.

My phone is in my range bag BUT, it would appear that it is of the older variety, you may remember them, they had an OFF button   !! 

 

[Lord v]

I see this type of behavior now and again at different shoots and I always take the same action. I find the nearest fat shooter male or female ( iam no sexist)  and stand so they are between me and the transgressor.

I am that fat shooter. 

That's why I always feel so popular. Should change my name to 'sandbag'. 

 

[chippy]

I am that fat shooter. 

That's why I always feel so popular. Should change my name to 'sandbag'. 

That's called. taking one for the team.

 

[Rupert]

Ballistic Sandbag.

 

[westley]

That's called. taking one for the team.

Bloody Hell, I wish I had known THAT, I haven't sat down for the last week  !!     

I've been conned ?

 

[wylye]

Safety, rules, and legality are most certainly things that concern us all. But I have seen the unpleasant response from a transgressor in the fairly recent past. None of us feel comfortable approaching someone who is doing something unsafe or illegal or against the rules, and of course the CPSA should be at the forefront of ensuring that things are done properly.

It's important - massively important - that safety and legality don't find themselves blazed all over newspaper ront pages because some attitude-rich and commonsense poor twit "knows better" than everyone else. That's rather more important than changing the CPSA's name or logo or the colours of its web site.

The CPSA can't be everywhere of course, but they can be seen to be taking the lead, they can suggest formats for prominently displayed safety notices and rules, they can make all clubs aware of what's legal and what's safe, and they can suggest ways of approaching people who are doing it wrong. They can make CPSA affiliation dependant on adherence to good practice, they can act upon reports of problems, and they can monitor.

Ground owners can train their staff, tell them how to defuse a difficult situation, make it plain that all reports of this sort of thing will involve the owners/management, and they can put in place procedures that ensure that intervention.

The CPSA are the governing body of our sport, and it's exactly the sort of thing that they should be doing, rather than putting cosmetic sticking plaster on a wound that might not be bleeding and may not even exist.

I think you're out of touch Charles. All the points you list above do actually exist and happen at all the levels you mention. All the safety information anyone could ever want or need is available for grounds to use to best effect to try and emphasise safety at every opportunity. It is obviously in the grounds interest to ensure that their operation is as safe as it can be regardless of whether it is a Wednesday afternoon practice or a full blown registered shoot with 200+ entries on a Sunday. I'm not surprised that you think it is the CPSA's job to sort these problems out but despite this I think it is every shooters responsibility to make sure that unsafe practices, either by fellow shooters or the ground itself are responded to urgently and rectified immediately. Better to risk a sharp word than 28gms of shot going in the wrong direction.

 

[Lord v]

Ballistic Sandbag.

Better than ballistic ballbag. 

 

[ExSCA]

Great example of how a relatively benign disagreement, can become a more heated exchange. 

 

[Hamster]

It all depends on the danger level so I wouldn't personally make a fuss about someone taking their gun out of the case without labouring the point that he was breaking it as he did so, and smugly looking around for applause   but someone loading more than 2 shells into a semi or generally dangerous behaviour must be dealt with pretty quickly either by finding a club official or if needs be a direct tactful approach. 

If that fails then walk briskly away and get management to deal with it. 

 

[CharlesP]

Out of touch?  Undoubtedly - I'm gently reminded of this by MrsP every time I buy a shirt/tie/pair of trousers/vehicle or share my thoughts about music/fashion/culture/politics or bemoan the activities of children or grandchildren. So you're right there, guilty as charged.

I'm delighted to hear that the CPSA is doing those things I suggested, I genuinely am pleased that all the clubs have the necessary advice and guidance and information. I do, however, see that it doesn't always filter down to where it's needed. I didn't say that the CPSA should be 'sorting it all out', but I do feel quite strongly that it has a prominent role to play including, crucially, monitoring.

I suspect that the only area on which you and I actually differ, wylie, is that I don't want to confront anyone who is misbehaving with a gun in his hand, I want to report it and have someone else deal with it who has been suitably briefed or trained.

 

[schmokinn]

Not quite sure how this go turned around to blaming the CPSA...the only thing i think they are responsible for is making sure the ground enforce their rules where they apply as in when they are running a registered comp...etc.

Though i do think it could be wise on occasion to ensure this is happening in person,mystery shopper or otherwise.

I told somebody employed by the ground who had a radio and could have forwarded this to ground manager or such but chose not to.

Like most people when i shoot a registered shoot i want to focus on what i am doing not get into something with another group of shooters and become distracted ruining my shoot.

People who actually know me would say i am in no way scared of confrontation and on many occasions have spoken to people ref gun safety but being a large chap i am regularly accused of bullying in any situation where people do not like what i am saying....seems to be a go to excuse for people these days.

The grounds are responsible by the terms of there Insurance,whatever law they operate under and agreements with shooting organisations to ensure safety.

There are also regularly seemingly senior members of staff about the shoot but on this occasion maybe not at the right time.

The point i was making is that they should do more to ensure safety as a responsible business...they have to have a Safety Officer so what is he actually doing and should he not be on the ground ensuring safety?

 

[Lord v]

Not quite sure how this go turned around to blaming the CPSA....

Given the last sentence of your opening post it can't be that surprising surely?

 

[schmokinn]

Not quite sure how this go turned around to blaming the CPSA....

"Given the last sentence of your opening post it can't be that surprising surely?"

"Not quite sure how this go turned around to blaming the CPSA...the only thing i think they are responsible for is making sure the ground enforce their rules where they apply as in when they are running a registered comp...etc."

Lets have it in the context of the whole sentence shall we as above.

"surprising surely?"

 

[MJJ]

"Given the last sentence of your opening post it can't be that surprising surely?"

"Not quite sure how this go turned around to blaming the CPSA...the only thing i think they are responsible for is making sure the ground enforce their rules where they apply as in when they are running a registered comp...etc."

Lets have it in the context of the whole sentence shall we as above.

"surprising surely?"

I think he meant the last sentence in your first post on this topic - but i could be wrong 

 

[schmokinn]

I think he meant the last sentence in your first post on this topic - but i could be wrong 

Yup i realised that but i thought i had clarified in a later post

 

[Lord v]

Whether you have the rest of the sentence or not makes no difference to the intent or to the point my statement made.

If you believe the cpsa is only responsible for registered comps then your final comment in the original post indicates two things:

1) You feel that the cpsa needs to extend their responsibility to cover more and;

2) it was a deliberate, if offhand, attempt to stir the pot in light of recent threads.

While you have, in a round about way, clarified the former; given your recent argumentative nature on the forum the potential result of the latter arising from your words could not possibly come as a surprise. Even if ,and I feel I am being generous here, you noticed after posting.

Therefore to suddenly claim surprise that the thread has somewhat deviated into a CPSA bashing thread really does not 'cut the mustard'. 

And that is before we begin on the title of the thread. 

I belive the legal term is 'reasonably foreseeable'. 

I have no particular desire to descend into an argument over semantics, and as it appears to be your current mission to argue to the 'n'th every subject in recent days I will just doff my cap and leave you get on  with it. 

(However, for the sake of everyone's sanity, the "quote" button is not hard to use... )

 

[schmokinn]

"(However, for the sake of everyone's sanity, the "quote" button is not hard to use... ) " i realise how it works but what if i don't want to quote the whole post,i realise you can delete bits but i am quite capable of using the correct punctuation and may wish to address comments separately.

It was the fact that the bashing had seemed to have veered of course that prompted the post.

I will be constantly annoyed by and angered with the higher echelons of the CPSA till they find some Transparency,pull there finger out and get on with what the paying members want and need....not what they think we want or need.

" 1) You feel that the cpsa needs to extend their responsibility to cover more and; " not really i think they should do what they say they are doing,if you make rules you should enforce them otherwise pointless having them and makes a mockery of themselves

" 2) it was a deliberate, if offhand, attempt to stir the pot in light of recent threads. " everybody is entitled to an opinion,it had nothing to do with any other post and was prompted by the aforementioned happening.

As for arguing the 'n'th i disagree....guess that what your talking about.

 

[wylye]

As far as the CPSA giving what their paying members want and need, you may be aware that the organisation is set up on a County and then Regional basis with volunteer officers who have subsequently been voted on to the committee by their respective counties. At a South West Regional meeting late last year there were no representatives present from your county - despite the meeting actually being held in your county.

How you expect the CPSA to be aware of your views and to represent you at local and national level? Thought transference ? Or maybe a ouija board? Answers on a postcard please.

 

[schmokinn]

Postcard,if i actually believed that they would read and take notice i would do.

I have sent messages and spoken to NF on more than one occasion but seen as i can't get an answer to straightforward questions that doesn't seem to work.

I am not the elected/agreed representative to the region for our county so would not be aware when that was and haven't seen him in months so i can't really comment on his attendance.

I have attended every county meeting this year and provided whatever assistance i can.

It is our AGM this evening so maybe i will know more after that.

Can i ask if the region/regional committee voted on the £50,000 spreadsheet or was that wholly the national committee/board? i ask as this will give me a better understanding how and if the system actually works.

I understand you put in a lot of effort and i have no issue with you or anybody that works voluntarily for the organisation.