Guns in cars

[SoR]

Anybod know the legal angle on guns in cars and overnight possesion away from home? If you travel shoot to shoot

 

[RobertBeard]

There is a previous thread but I think we all concluded that the gun needs to be broken down so that perhaps you leave the barrels in the car but take the stock and action into the room where you are staying.  You have then done everything reasonable.  Keep everything out of sight in the car leaving no clue that you are a shooter.  Some hotels may have a gun safe facility but they need to be licensed and advertise the fact before I'd declare myself to be a shooter.  Ammo is OK in the car if the gun is not left in a condition that it can be fired if the ammo is accessible.  Safe's in the car are a bit OTT but are available but they coud nick the whole car and open the safe at leisure.  There are things like trigger locks but that's not enough to leave a gun in the car overnight.

 

[Growl]

There is a previous thread but I think we all concluded that the gun needs to be broken down so that perhaps you leave the barrels in the car but take the stock and action into the room where you are staying.  You have then done everything reasonable.  Keep everything out of sight in the car leaving no clue that you are a shooter.  Some hotels may have a gun safe facility but they need to be licensed and advertise the fact before I'd declare myself to be a shooter.  Ammo is OK in the car if the gun is not left in a condition that it can be fired if the ammo is accessible.  Safe's in the car are a bit OTT but are available but they coud nick the whole car and open the safe at leisure.  There are things like trigger locks but that's not enough to leave a gun in the car overnight.

Agree with Robert, just make it as safe as practicably possible, take either the barrels or stock/fore-end into your room, keep all ofther items that could show you as a shooter in the boot, out of sight.

 

[Westward]

Depends on the situation. There is no law that says you can't keep a shotgun in a hotel room as long as it's in your charge. The "Safe Storage" law is nothing to do with securing against theft, that's entirely made up by the police. Safe storage actually means preventing unauthorised (unlicenced) people from having access to your gun.

I would transport a gun in a travel case, take it up to the room at bedtime and put it back in the car before breakfast. There's no legal or moral imperative for the hotel or B&B to know anything about it. When you carry guns between a gun shop in the town centre and the car park you aren't breaking any laws as long as the gun is cased.

As a licence holder you have every right to own shotguns and you don't have to sneak around hoping no one notices.

 

[VicW]

Another precaution if using a car park anywhere and leaving all or part of your gun in the boot is to back the boot lid right up to a wall if possible.

I believe,as Robert said,anything that advertises that you are gun owner is a no-no. By that I mean personalised number plates like '100 DTL' or stickers that proclaim 'I love shooting'.

Other than that I thought that a locked car with the gun etc out of sight constituted 'temporary secure storage'.

As Westward said I would think that a travel case and not a gunslip would be preferable if taking a gun into a hotel through the lobby or other public area.

Vic. 

 

[Fuzrat]

Locked case, wire rope padlocked round the spare wheel bracket and a locked car and I have complied with taking "reasonable precautions"

 

[ips]

Barrel in car stock in suitcase detachable trigger on person. Or if in motorhome then gun case in van trigger on person. Actually thinking of having a steal cabinet made to fit in motorhome garage.

 

[ips]

Forgot to say. Agree with others do not have anything advertising the fact that you are a shooter and vi t includes shooting vest / jacket hung up in car.

 

[ehb102]

My firearms officer said lock the case in the boot and put the forestock in your handbag and take it with you. You might need to consider buying a handbag.

 

[Richard59]

As Fuzrat, have travelled and stayed all over, makers ABS case secured, in two places to load hooks that are part of the car, that's even when travelling to local ground mind. Just don't lose the keys.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

I would never contemplate leaving anything to do with my gun in a car overnight.

It always goes to the room with me in a hard flight case. I never explain what it is to anyone.

If going out for dinner then a lockable wire is used to chain to either a radiator or bath handles.

I then leave the 'do not disturb' sign on the door.

Worked well for 20+ years in various countries.

Simples

 

[PhilS]

Depends on the situation. There is no law that says you can't keep a shotgun in a hotel room as long as it's in your charge. The "Safe Storage" law is nothing to do with securing against theft, that's entirely made up by the police. Safe storage actually means preventing unauthorised (unlicenced) people from having access to your gun.

I would transport a gun in a travel case, take it up to the room at bedtime and put it back in the car before breakfast. There's no legal or moral imperative for the hotel or B&B to know anything about it. When you carry guns between a gun shop in the town centre and the car park you aren't breaking any laws as long as the gun is cased.

As a licence holder you have every right to own shotguns and you don't have to sneak around hoping no one notices.

I would never contemplate leaving anything to do with my gun in a car overnight.

It always goes to the room with me in a hard flight case. I never explain what it is to anyone.

If going out for dinner then a lockable wire is used to chain to either a radiator or bath handles.

I then leave the 'do not disturb' sign on the door.

Worked well for 20+ years in various countries.

Simples

Westwood is correct legally (in fact with regard to the transporting from the gun shop you can carry your shotgun broken over your arm if you wished so long as it is not loaded) and both are complying with the requirements for protecting your 'firearm', as for that matter do the other suggestions made.

There are no laid down rules on this one, it all hinges on the definition of 'reasonable' with regard to the care taken to prevent your gun being accessed by non authorised persons.

 

[chippy]

Westwood is correct legally (in fact with regard to the transporting from the gun shop you can carry your shotgun broken over your arm if you wished so long as it is not loaded) and both are complying with the requirements for protecting your 'firearm', as for that matter do the other suggestions made.

There are no laid down rules on this one, it all hinges on the definition of 'reasonable' with regard to the care taken to prevent your gun being accessed by non authorised persons.

I find the carrying of a broken gun down the high street always works well for me.not only do i not have to worry about gun storage i usually get free accommodation too.(if you do try this i would make sure your not shooting first thing in the morning)

chippy

 

[Jan Powell]

Don't leave your gun, or parts of it, in the car. It's commonsense. It's much more likely to be stolen from an unattended vehicle that your hotel room.

Get a secure case (Americases are good) and lock it to something solid in the your room. If you leave the room put it out of sight if you can and turn the TV on, the room then seems occupied to any noseys.

As far the car, make sure it's out of sight and the cars locked. Easy really.

 

[gundog]

Avoid Scotland as it doesn't matter if you've got a bloody gunsafe in the car. Should someone nick your car, you're doomed.

 

[PhilS]

Avoid Scotland as it doesn't matter if you've got a bloody gunsafe in the car. Should someone nick your car, you're doomed.

We're all doooomed captain Mainwaring!!  aladin:  (couldn't fnd a soldier one)

Found one -- :comando:   hence the edit

 

[gundog]

This isn't funny dads army doom, it's good-bye shotgun/firearms license doom and a huge fine to really rub it in!!

 

[Angelfire]

Aye, always used to saw mine in half, longways down the rib and take half to the hotel room. It was a bugger nest morning though if you were on early at the shoot, as there was much welding, grinding and wood sticking together to do before you could shoot. :mole:    It must have worked though as I never had it nicked.

Phil* :crazy:

 

[Les53]

Locked case, wire rope padlocked round the spare wheel bracket and a locked car and I have complied with taking "reasonable precautions"

Blimey fuz, did you not think of welding the boot lid to the rest of the car, then you would only need to use an angle grinder to get at the gun! :laugh: