unless its blatantly stupid i don't bother neither I did genuinely chip 2 clays (tiny chips) on sunday had little interest in discussing it my own fault it was sh*te shooting on a very shootable target!
I chipped that one
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Santa2512
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If matey boy thinks he has a chip, id ask him to provide the pellets with the marks of the clay on them.
Once he'd produced them id give him the bird
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Feeling the need, the need for speed
Once he'd produced them id give him the bird
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Feeling the need, the need for speed
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Even the best ref's can miss a chip, not everyone has the eyesight of an eagle.
I never call last pair if the shooter is on to straight the stand, only if they have already missed one.
And I would intervene if I saw a shooter browbeating a young scorer over a target, and that should stand for all of us...
I never call last pair if the shooter is on to straight the stand, only if they have already missed one.
And I would intervene if I saw a shooter browbeating a young scorer over a target, and that should stand for all of us...
RichW1234
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Sometimes the Ref's see something we don't...on a shoot recently my friend was given 2 kills (each on different stands) which to everyone else watching including me were no doubt misses. He didn't complain tho' and ask the Ref to change his card :angel:
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I usually put the correct number of cartridges for the stand in the pocket I load from, and a few spares in the other for no birds,then you know if it's the last pair.??
Rosso
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If you have had a lot of no birds its good if the ref calls the last pair coming, especially at South Down.
On another note regarding scores my mate on Sunday had 89 on his card and had 81 come up on the TV where live scores are displayed, he went back in and had it changed, they counted all the kills when it would have been easier to subtract the 11 misses. Important to write total score on card, which he did any away but still made no difference.
On another note regarding scores my mate on Sunday had 89 on his card and had 81 come up on the TV where live scores are displayed, he went back in and had it changed, they counted all the kills when it would have been easier to subtract the 11 misses. Important to write total score on card, which he did any away but still made no difference.
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I agree that the badgering of refs for kills they are not entitled is blatant cheating, after every shoot at Southdown I look through all the score cards to see how hard or easily various targets were shot, most score cards will have none or only the occasional alteration by the referee, but I have noticed that the same name or two crops up with up to 10 referee alterations on their card, time after time.
I think that as honest shooters we should speak up when we witness this and give the refs some support, after all where would we be without them.
Thats my penny worth
Bob
I agree that the badgering of refs for kills they are not entitled is blatant cheating, after every shoot at Southdown I look through all the score cards to see how hard or easily various targets were shot, most score cards will have none or only the occasional alteration by the referee, but I have noticed that the same name or two crops up with up to 10 referee alterations on their card, time after time.
I think that as honest shooters we should speak up when we witness this and give the refs some support, after all where would we be without them.
Thats my penny worth
Bob
schmokinn
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name and shame them....i am pretty sure that it will stop immediately with everybody watching there scores intently and ready to comment
Here we go, you can't name much less shame anybody unless you have proof. I have seen a zero altered to a cross on my own card without me being aware of anything, i.e, the scorer had done it himself.name and shame them....i am pretty sure that it will stop immediately with everybody watching there scores intently and ready to comment
Maybe I'm lucky but I can honestly say I very rarely come across bullying and the times when a query is raised by the shooter they very often have a point, scorers aren't born perfect and sitting there in the cold for hours can be mind numbingly boring especially since most do it for the money and aren't exactly in it for the love of the game either.
schmokinn
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wouldn't say i had actually seen bullying as i perceive it but i have seen people claiming that the wad was a chip on several occasions.
and what i meant was when people new that ***** was in the stand they would more intently watch what was going on to back the scorer though i do see the failings in that.
if there are 10 people in front of me i do not wish to watch everybody shoot the stand,the one before me yes to establish where the targets are but not a large variety of styles and abilities.
or maybe just a large sign saying that it has come to the managements notice that certain unnamed people are having an excessive amount of corrections on there card,that in itself would probably stop them.
"Please initial all alterations to score cards at the time of altering the score." i always thought they did or that is what i have seen so it could be queried later.
i just abhor cheats and think they deserve anything they may get.
and what i meant was when people new that ***** was in the stand they would more intently watch what was going on to back the scorer though i do see the failings in that.
if there are 10 people in front of me i do not wish to watch everybody shoot the stand,the one before me yes to establish where the targets are but not a large variety of styles and abilities.
or maybe just a large sign saying that it has come to the managements notice that certain unnamed people are having an excessive amount of corrections on there card,that in itself would probably stop them.
"Please initial all alterations to score cards at the time of altering the score." i always thought they did or that is what i have seen so it could be queried later.
i just abhor cheats and think they deserve anything they may get.
Jonny English
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A mate of mine who used to shoot a lot of trap a few years ago professes that chips weren't good enough for a kill in those days and that the clay had to have broken into at least 3 visible pieces according to cpsa rules to count as a hit. Was this the case a few years ago and should that rule be brought back to come away from chips counting?
CharlesP
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My own experience is that a kill is recorded by the scorer when I really didn't think I had hit the thing. I put it down to the fact that either (when female) the scorer was overcome by my ruggedly handsome appearance or (when male) he felt sorry for me...
P1Fanatic
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No idea on trap past or present but pretty sure for Skeet (Olympic ISSF) even a puff of paint counts but thats with those flash clays.
Shooting ESP once (not a comp) I missed a driven clay only to watch as the clay sailed overhead with two pellet sized holes in the middle. I was given the kill but no idea how that would play in a registered ESP shoot - assuming the ref was watching closely enough in the first place. I best go check the rules.
Looks like I would have been good:
[SIZE=8pt]TARGET DEFINITION “HIT” [/SIZE]
[SIZE=7pt]A regular target that in the opinion of the Referee only: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=7pt]3.10 Has had a visible piece broken from it, is completely destroyed or, in the case of targets that are presented whole and during ight holes are seen to appear which have been caused by the Competitor’s shot. [/SIZE]
It would be considered a hit under the rules for ESP
TARGET DEFINITION “HIT”
A regular target that in the opinion of the Referee only:
3.10 Has had a visible piece broken from it, is completely destroyed or, in the case of targets
that are presented whole and during flight holes are seen to appear which have been caused by the
Competitor’s shot.
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But not for ABT
SCORED
26.21 A target is hit, and the score sheet marked accordingly, when it is thrown and shot at
according to the rules and at least one visible piece is broken from it by the shot.
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Nimbusgb
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I've lost on or two through what was either a poorly sighted or half asleep/frozen/drowned ref but I'm pretty certain I've gained some that I'm convinced I've missed.
As far as I understand it it's up to the ref to decide if they saw a piece fly off a clay. If they didn't see it then it's a lost target. No matter how convinced the shooter or his mates are that they 'hit' it.
As far as I understand it it's up to the ref to decide if they saw a piece fly off a clay. If they didn't see it then it's a lost target. No matter how convinced the shooter or his mates are that they 'hit' it.
stevekeat
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IaAgree and I second that Fred is quite possibly the best Ref I have ever known, Friendly (Sees my card and always asks how I am if no one is waiting behind me), calls loudly for the shooter and the following shooter, is fair and doesn't take any cr*p. A true gentleman.
Witnessed this on sunday at northampton, Sad old state of affairs. So called A class shooter adamant that he had taken of the smallest of chips of the front edge. Even thou 4 of us said otherwise. I think if none of us hadnt had said anything he would still be trying now.
I just dont get some people
I just dont get some people
