I, like you Ian, just shoot it and if it breaks great no matter what the break looks like. I am not bothered whether I was slightly in front or slightly behind when it broke and I certainly not thinking about that target after I have shot it the only thing that I am thinking about it seeing the next target well and then shooting it.
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To tighten up the chokes makes shooting more difficult,keep them open and make's shooting easier.To analysis your breaks makes shooting to scientific and no fun,me! see the target swing through and with gut feeling pull trigger and keep moving.
Only shoot clays for fun,game shooter really.To adjust lead make no sense to me,how you prepare for the shot and movement of feet and looking at the clay is more important.
For the technoids amongst you ( and the Potters) a very good read is 'Sporting Shotgun Performance by Dr AC Jones'
Remember clay breakages are influenced by the clay spinning and also remember they can spin in both directions , clock or anti-clock dependant on whether the trap is left or right handed thrower and you often cannot see the trap from the shooting position .
So it all really becomes a bit academic .
Premium cartridge , half choke and centre them should sort most clays out .
Next question! " How do you Centre them?"
Remember clay breakages are influenced by the clay spinning and also remember they can spin in both directions , clock or anti-clock dependant on whether the trap is left or right handed thrower and you often cannot see the trap from the shooting position .
So it all really becomes a bit academic .
Premium cartridge , half choke and centre them should sort most clays out .
Next question! " How do you Centre them?"
The doubters should remember this, if you can read a well centred target then why not a poorly centred one ? It needn't be a matter of seeing the back or front end breaking to provide the clue but the poor break itself combined with the experience to know whether that came from being too far ahead/behind/above/below or not.
The hard part is the correction, mere lead alone is not always the answer.
The hard part is the correction, mere lead alone is not always the answer.
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Lead is the actual answer, it's just perception of it of course. Perceived lead may not be the answer for some people, because their method involves moving at a greatly different speed to the clay, so they are pulling the trigger before the lead is correct (and allowing for that fraction of delay it actually takes to pull the trigger and activate the shot). Chris Childerhouse often talks about shooting behind a clay to hit it, because he is moving so fast that the muzzle has moved on from what he sees, once the shot is released. I like to eliminate this variable as much as possible. I pull away from the clay, match it's speed and hold a static gap which I can really see. This stops timing problems and helps me repeat the process. (I don't always get it right of course.. but to me this is the least risky way of shooting).
What I meant is that sometimes it's the footwork, tempo and address point that can be altered to achieve the desire greater or lesser lead but yes of course the actual thing we all need is the correct lead.
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Totally. Hold point and the speed at which you react once the clay emerges is a huge factor!
Well of course, it is the difference between hitting or missing... timing is everything ...especially when trap shooting
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Don't really understand all this "reading a break". If the clay broke into 2 parts or 1000 it broke. If it didn't break you missed simple really. I was once told if you are taking the front/back edge off why change anything it's on the card. You don't get bonus points for how well the clay breaks.
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I think its a case of yes you broke the clay and you get a point BUT the next one may be a miss unless you correct the error that caused the poor break, consistency is crucial for top scores.
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I am with you 100% I honestly could not care where the shot was...as long as I see the target break. I was out the other weekend and shot the first 17 of the 25 absolutely perfectly then a miss could I have prevented that miss by thinking about what I was trying to do? I doubt it in fact I would say from a trap shooting point of view the last thing I want to be doing is thinking about anything at all other than seeing the target the rest just happens hit or miss. If at the end of a round my coaching partner comes over and tells me I was more often than not slightly behind the target I might have a think about it but if you hit 23 can you really correct for the two misses?
Right from the start I made a point of this very issue, still doesn't mean the phenomenon doesn't exist or can't be utilised so long as you're experienced and careful.
I really don't get the point of this, if the subject is beneath you then why comment, if you don't understand it enough why not ask questions, if you have something useful (considering your undoubted experience level) then why not tell us either way.
I get people making funny comments and I'm more guilty than most in that regard but to simply disparage a thread with zero contribution is childish.
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john, you are bang on with what you say as far as trap is concerned but this sporting job seems to be a totally different way of approaching things. Presumably you can have a bogey bird (I have many ?) and I think what some are saying and trying to achieve is interpreting the break in order to avoid future misses due to a slight fault in set up or whatever. I have found sporting to be pre meditated in the way you are going to shoot a specific target whereas trap is very much a mental approach.
Yes Ian I think that is a fair assessment they know what is coming so they try to read the break to get some idea of where they are shooting... but to be honest you have to ask the question is that important you have broken the target? It is when they have not broken the target then they really need to know where the were shooting As I see it at any rate ! Got to reiterate though when I just chip a target the last thing on my mind is where was I shooting. Though also because I know I will not be getting that target again during the round where would be the benefit of even thinking about it?
As I see it at any rate ! Got to reiterate though when I just chip a target the last thing on my mind is where was I shooting. Though also because I know I will not be getting that target again during the round where would be the benefit of even thinking about it?
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totally agree john. Sporting has opened my eyes lately, as has game shooting. Sporting seems even more clinical than trap in many regards. Game shooting is to me very similar to trap as far as ones state of mind is concerned, see it shoot it with no particular pre conceived plan and "for me" if you have no idea how you hit it then your "in the right zone". If I was paying any attention to the break there more than likely would be no break ?
anyway back to the topic ?
anyway back to the topic ?
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