Scoring a round.... whats the protocol / ettiquete?

[Santa2512]

Going for a quick round of skeet tommorow, and want to start recording scores

Is there a correct way to fillin a score sheet?

Is it a tick for a hit and a cross for a miss?   or something else

mart

 

[Alan Rowley]

Whenever I ref, I do a diagonal line for a kill and a 0 for a loss, that way they are obvious if anyone decides to to turn a o into a / , but if its informal when I mark, I write a number in the box, only when someone has missed , say they miss the third target, I write 24, that's how many they can achieve if they don't miss any , it just tells you the score at the end without the adding up

 

[Angelfire]

Provided the loss is marked with a 0 and a hit is marked with a X or /, It should be fine.

Phil*

 

[RichW1234]

I do K for kill and 0 for miss

 

[ehb102]

Going for a quick round of skeet tommorow, and want to start recording scores

Is there a correct way to fillin a score sheet?

Is it a tick for a hit and a cross for a miss?   or something else

No! Opposite way. It's counter-intuitive IMHO. I have to remember it like this: if the clay got away unbroken it's O. If the clay was smashed into pieces it's X. X is hit, O is miss.

 

[Julesy]

As long as a hit and a miss are different that is all that matters. Don't worry about it and just enjoy the shooting

 

[blaser f3]

As long as a hit and a miss are different that is all that matters. Don't worry about it and just enjoy the shooting

Depends who looks a the card later (and if they know which way its marked ) could end up with some extremely bad scores !

 

[chippy]

i would do a H for a hit and a l for loss.that way if your feeling depressed about your scores you can alter the card without it showing.

 

[ehb102]

As long as a hit and a miss are different that is all that matters. Don't worry about it and just enjoy the shooting

Not exactly. I was at a very embarrassing occasion when the announced winner admitted that their friend had marked the score card the wrong way around and they had actually only hit three.

 

[Julesy]

That sounds like the kind of comp even I could win!!!

 

[ips]

slightly off topic but i know of quite a few mainly Dtl shooters who will not shoot abt ot Ut because they do not want the responsibility of ref or scoring or have the opinion that they have paid to shoot not to be bo unpaid ref. Both sentiments i understand. I wonder how many more people would shoot trap if they at least provided proper refs and had two squad members as side judges. I believe that sporting may be similar but might be wrong.

How many other sports have major championships were competitors ref each other ? Imagine it at snooker or tennis etc.

We talk about trap numbers being down whilst Dtl remains popular this i know for a fact is a big if not the main reason.

 

[Santa2512]

Why

slightly off topic but i know of quite a few mainly Dtl shooters who will not shoot abt ot Ut because they do not want the responsibility of ref or scoring or have the opinion that they have paid to shoot not to be bo unpaid ref. Both sentiments i understand. I wonder how many more people would shoot trap if they at least provided proper refs and had two squad members as side judges. I believe that sporting may be similar but might be wrong.
How many other sports have major championships were competitors ref each other ? Imagine it at snooker or tennis etc.
We talk about trap numbers being down whilst Dtl remains popular this i know for a fact is a big if not the main reason.

Why is that? 

is it ambiguity in what is classed as a kill, or people arguing the miss or no kill was otherwise

When I did archery, the squad who was assigned to the  stand / butt (target in laymans terms) had a  scorer, usually archer No3  (a squad was either 4 or 6 archers)  You covered the scoring yourself, it's what was expected  

The scorer was  responsible for the scores reported by an archer. All he did was report the score , the responsibility for the score was the archer themselves. The scorer could not call his own scores, another member of the squad called there scores

If an archer was unsure  - say a linecutter or very close, usually it was agreement by concencous of the other archers  of what the score was.

If no one could agree what the score for an arrow was , it was then passed to the field captain, who's decision was binding subject to an appeal to the Lady Paramount . if they wanted to appeal further, it was the lady paramount, and her decision was full and final.

Also after every end (6 arrows)  the score sheets were removed and sent to the score people who updated the leader boards. The sheets were then returned prior to the next end of arrows

In the 6+ years i did archery at club / interclub level i never once saw a disputed arrow go to the lady P 

My take on it would be ...

At club level, non comp  its down to the shooter,  if they call misses as hits its up to them.  if they want to inflate there score then its there consience

At club level    /  competition round, then there should be ether a nominated scorer/ref  from the squad shooting   -  if side refs are required, then they should be from or nominated from the squad shooting  

At interclub / county / or higher   it should be indie /ref / judge / scorer

We found we had no problems at comptiton time finding people to cover these roles

Mart

 

[Dog Tyred]

Ian

I must admit I don't like reffing. The responsibility of the button, calling 'no targets' and handling misfires (telling shooters they have to miss with the first barrel on second barrel mis-fires is always a good one and it's surprising how many shooters don't know that rule!), etc. Certainly focusses the mind for 20 minutes or so and you do need to know the rules. Done it enough times now not to get too vexed by it and so far haven't had any mis-buttons!!. Don't mind the scoring or the abacus so much but would rather have to do none of the above but where are the grounds going to find enough qualified refs/scorers if the competitors don't do it?

Must admit I was surprised that a major event like the ABT Grand Prix at Bisley required competitors to score although in hindsight with four layouts running all day it would have required something like 16 people (8 on and 8 off - they need a break!) for each day and that is with electronic score boards. That number increases to 24 people with manual abacuses (or should that be abaci?). Quite a cost if they are all being paid (and where do you get them?).

As for scoring I use a diagonal line for a hit and write the highest score achievable in the box for a miss. Makes filling the final score in much quicker at the end.

DT

 

[Dog Tyred]

Santa

I guess the difference between clays and archery is that with archery the score is permanent for all to see (agree/dispute or whatever) until the arrow is actually pulled from the target. With clays the hit or miss has to be decided instantaneously which can lead to dispute.

For trap the current system utilising competitors works well as each target is adjudicated by a ref and two scorers so there is little chance of a dispute. I believe the main issue is with sporting where there is typically a single ref and that may be an inexperienced youth who gets intimidated by the shooter or his friends.

No idea how it works for skeet?

DT

 

[Santa2512]

Santa

I guess the difference between clays and archery is that with archery the score is permanent for all to see (agree/dispute or whatever) until the arrow is actually pulled from the target. With clays the hit or miss has to be decided instantaneously which can lead to dispute.

For trap the current system utilising competitors works well as each target is adjudicated by a ref and two scorers so there is little chance of a dispute. I believe the main issue is with sporting where there is typically a single ref and that may be an inexperienced youth who gets intimidated by the shooter or his friends.

No idea how it works for skeet?

DT

Indeed you are correct.

I just remembered, when you score arrows in archery, you have to point and call the arrow.  if you touch your arow as you call, The ref, can void the score, as it could be deemed to be tampering !  (never saw it happen mind, just a few friendly warnings

Agree with your last bit about  being intimidated. it can be a bit daunting, especially if somone has a bit of an ego so to speak,  however in archery, you usually  had 4 other indipendant people on the peg,  who would back the scorer every time

It was amazing how some people wouls shoot a bad end, and then pack up and go, rather than submit a low scring round .

Take me yesterday,  shot a round of skeet  6 ex 25   would i submit it   .... yes,  its my score and im proud of it ...   

next time i want 7  though  

Mart

 

[ips]

I am not bothered about ref abacus or scoring been doing it long enough but given the choice i would rather shoot then go for a brew. I know for a fact that it puts many people off for the reasons previously stated.

DT

agree with all you say about cost to ground for refs etc but Dtl shoots seem to manage it and as said earlier two side judges from previous squad which does happen on some shoots is fine but some feel that to have the responsibility of reffing your mates is wrong particularly at major or even county camps.

 

[Dog Tyred]

DT

agree with all you say about cost to ground for refs etc but Dtl shoots seem to manage it and as said earlier two side judges from previous squad which does happen on some shoots is fine but some feel that to have the responsibility of reffing your mates is wrong particularly at major or even county camps.

I hear dat! but...with three adjudicators per squad the likihood of a disputed kill are quite rare (in my experience anyway). Probably just jinxed myself!!

DT

 

[Julesy]

If you have an experienced ref you do not need 3, it is totally over the top.

We run ABT with one ref on each layout and we do the scoring (as it is handled on All Round)

With the CPSA looking into the shoot and ref policy maybe self reffing will become a thing of the past. Squads reffing for each other is an organisational nightmare as you need to know where 8 squads are instead of the normal 4 that are shooting.

 

[ips]

If you have an experienced ref you do not need 3, it is totally over the top. .

exactly