Selling cartridges

[animal79thecat]

Hi,

Would it be legal to sell unwanted cartridges,say,on a Facebook shooting group page,to another certificate holder? Face to face transaction obviously.

Many thanks.

 

[PhilS]

Yes. Make sure they have a certificate (ie you see it)

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[Finners]

Question, answer. We're done here. 

 

[animal79thecat]

Question, answer. We're done here. 

As quick as that? .!

 

[PhilS]

Yep

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[Will Hewland]

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[Deershooter]

You don't even need a shotgun certificate to have cartridges, and you can even send your mum with your certificate and a note

That's how stupid the law is

Deershooter

 

[PhilS]

4

Naaaah, surely.

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[PhilS]

You don't even need a shotgun certificate to have cartridges, and you can even send your mum with your certificate and a note
That's how stupid the law is
Deershooter

But you do need a cert to buy them as per the OP

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[Deershooter]

But you do need a cert to buy them as per the OP

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From a shop yes from an individual no .

Deershooter

 

[PhilS]

But you do need a cert to buy them as per the OP
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from an individual no .
Deershooter

Not so. If money changes hands a certificate is required.

You can give them away but not sell them to someone who doesn't have a certificate.

You can receive them but not buy them without a certificate.

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[PhilS]

Correct

 

[Oldblaster]

You don't need a cert to buy from a shooting ground! Just saying!

 

[Deershooter]

You only need a certificate if you buy from RFD or from cartridge seller who sells for business or trading purposes

The stupid thing is if I want to sell cartridges as a business I don't need a shotgun certificate at all . I would need a authority to store explosives from trading standards just like fireworks that's it !

Shooting grounds don't send the manufacturers any licence when they order pallet loads of cartridges I know one individual who has purchased over 1,000000 rounds and the supplier has never asked for anything other than the payment

 

[PhilS]

You don't need a cert to buy from a shooting ground! Just saying!

If you are buying only enough for your round then that is at the discretion of the ground owner, if you buy a slab he is supposed to see your certificate. Just saying.....

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[timps]

I posted on this subject on another forum some time back, the legislation is :

(Amendment) Act 1988.

5 Restriction on sale of ammunition for smooth-bore guns.

(1)This section applies to ammunition to which section 1 of the principal Act does not apply and which is capable of being used in a shot gun or in a smooth-bore gun to which that section applies.

(2)It is an offence for a person to sell any such ammunition to another person in the United Kingdom who is neither a registered firearms dealer nor a person who sells such ammunition by way of trade or business unless that other person—

(a)produces a certificate authorising him to possess a gun of a kind mentioned in subsection (1) above; or

(b)shows that he is by virtue of that Act or this Act entitled to have possession of such a gun without holding a certificate; or

(c )produces a certificate authorising another person to possess such a gun, together with that person’s written authority to purchase the ammunition on his behalf.

(3)An offence under this section shall be punishable on summary conviction with imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/45

If you read the legislation sub section (2) it is an offence for anyone not just RFD's to sell shotgun cartridges to an individual who doesn't either show a certificate or certificate and authorisation letter or an individual covered by an exemption.

If you are selling to an RFD or a business selling cartridges then you don’t need to see a certificate but you would need to know they are legit business or RFD. So in an RFD’s or clay grounds case delivery to their registered address would suffice for a cartridge manufacturer.

Shooting grounds can have a bit of leeway with non licence holders due to the section 11 exemption, however this doesn't extended to some random bloke walking in off the street just wanting cartridges you have to be shooting there. This will be covered by the exemption issued by the chief of police and the ground will have to abide the terms set out by the chief of police.

The offence  is for the seller not the buyer.

So in the OP case he needs to see a certificate if he is selling to anyone other than an RFD.

 

[PhilS]

Spot on Timps. The law is there in black and white for everyone to read - it is all available on line these days - but some folks still want to argue that black is white etc, and they know someone who knows someone who knows someone who didn't do it that way so they know best.

Rant over. Going for lunch.

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[Finners]

See post #3 :good:

 

[ips]

Ah now that was succinct indeed