Cool!!! Put it to the test some time...I'll be at the British, Beretta World, Troy Foods and Krieghoff...that's if you don't get nose bleeds at the thought of shooting outside your 'safe' home turf!!!
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How sad yet touching that you and a couple of others seem so keen to micro analyse other peoples lives. Maybe if you kept your head on the stock and focused on yours then you wouldn't have so many scores starting with a 6... :mole: :mosking:
It's all relative to where/when you shot those scores and under what circumstances...
...so now you've analysed my scores, you'll have no fear of coming to the British and thrashing me then
What is your and the other fella's fascination with me ? I'm kind of flattered but also find it mildly disturbing if Im completely honest. So lets just assume that you just happen :taunt: to beat me by 2 birds at a given shoot, does that increase your cows yield ?It's all relative to where/when you shot those scores and under what circumstances...
...so now you've analysed my scores, you'll have no fear of coming to the British and thrashing me then
What is wrong with you ?
Rewind a page, it is you who 'quoted' me first in this thread, calling me names and issuing a challenge...I've answered your challenge, suggested the British, it's not my fault your push bikes only gear is reverse!!! :taunt:
That wasn't a challenge, it was stating the bleedin obvious; you see James, when someone has a yappy gob and an abrasive stroke of the pen, well that guy better be in a position to call other people offering a view point about difficulty level as spineless. You are clearly not that person, you just appear incapable of reining your confrontational demeanour in.
What have I got to gain from beating you at a clay comp ? If I lose (highly unlikely) it would just be a freak event, like the odd times I beat guys who are clearly better than me. If I win people will just wonder why anyone except you would even care, I certainly won't because it's hardly an accomplishment.
For a comp to mean anything it has to take place between people of known roughly equal ability, yours aren't, neither for clays nor for forum usefulness.
shootinguru
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:fie: Well there you are, I really am Mr Nice Guy! :crazy: :crazy:
Doctor Lecter
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its all gone quiet . :haha:
shootinguru
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Yeah! They are both probably busy writing on toilet walls under the guise of Kilroy? :crazy:
Old Woman
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Hi Chippy,
Firstly I'd like to say well shot for yesterday.
I have to say I thought it was a really well thought out round yesterday.
I have posted on this forum in the past with regards to scores at Sporting Targets, and at that time, I think the average High Gun score over several shoots at this ground was something in line with 92.5%.
I believe therefore that it is down to the course setter getting it right most of the time, as I don't recall seeing super high scores, and on the whole the class scores are not silly either. It is a really hard job for a course setter to predict a winning score and there is always going to be people who have a 'halcyon' day and pop a fantastic score in that doesn't appear to relate to their class, be it A, B or C. But by and large the team at Sporting Targets get it right. Oh and by the way their payouts are excellent and transparent.
I see both points but there is no point in inflating people's egos with soft shoots. The British have been number 1 in sporting clays cause of the Quality of the targets been shot but other country's are catching up. You can't keep every one happy there is no point trying, I don't mind getting my *** kicked by a tough shoot, After all it's sporting clays you should not be out of the running after one bad stand on a soft shoot that's all it takes
A really good post .
On another note.
Puzzled why some people needs to bring up poster personal scores . It kind of gives me the impression that if you do not shoot high scores your opinion is not worth anything .
And well done chippy, getting quite regular to say that ......
Interestingly it shows how you can have a good and a not so good day, so to speak, on the same day. At a known tough shoot, he scored 95/100 - superb. He then went on to Four Counties and scored just one more than me - 72/100 - go figure.
EdSolomons
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I took people round this today and thought it was a very good round. I whizzed round in lunch break and got 92, leaving a good 4 out there.
Good mix and brilliant big looper on last stand
Good mix and brilliant big looper on last stand
chippy
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The sim pair of quartering away orange clays on stand 8 caught out several shooters,surprising as they looked so easy.also the first clay on stand 11 the black standard along the bank.
EdSolomons
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I missed 2 on the orange, loss kill loss kill was my worst stand.
Pulled hold point out and mashed them.
Missed first horrible black crosser and got the rest, happy 1 away there
Pulled hold point out and mashed them.
Missed first horrible black crosser and got the rest, happy 1 away there
Interesting thread been here before with pistol at dawn!
I think we have all got used to seeing big scores, well above the class averages.
I shot behind the guy at weston wood who hit the 95 and it was a top effort, he used to be in AA just coming back to the sport.
The guy who shot gunsite in C class with a 91 the same
When I first started shooting, high guns used to be in the mid 80's but things have changed we are getting better, learning more.
Shooting Owls lodge today, low high gun and scores below the class averages, one of the best shoots I have shot for a while. Below my average but satisfying.
I think Will has it spot on it is a question of balance, difficult for the course setter, to hard people moan, too ease people moan.
The problem as I see it is, the class system, it has not moved with the times, AA can end up back in B, after a lay off. The system is based on really an out of date method. There needs to be a bit more flexibility on how the classification works. No reason it can't be a 3 month rolling system as we can all check our average weekly. It's all on a database now.
One solution you go back into your class when you stopped shooting.
I think we are all a little hung up on averages and concerned how a hard shoot can damage them. I think we forget that for most this is a hobby. No body I work with or live with cares if I put a straight in on the 70 yard midi, only I do.
I think we have all got used to seeing big scores, well above the class averages.
I shot behind the guy at weston wood who hit the 95 and it was a top effort, he used to be in AA just coming back to the sport.
The guy who shot gunsite in C class with a 91 the same
When I first started shooting, high guns used to be in the mid 80's but things have changed we are getting better, learning more.
Shooting Owls lodge today, low high gun and scores below the class averages, one of the best shoots I have shot for a while. Below my average but satisfying.
I think Will has it spot on it is a question of balance, difficult for the course setter, to hard people moan, too ease people moan.
The problem as I see it is, the class system, it has not moved with the times, AA can end up back in B, after a lay off. The system is based on really an out of date method. There needs to be a bit more flexibility on how the classification works. No reason it can't be a 3 month rolling system as we can all check our average weekly. It's all on a database now.
One solution you go back into your class when you stopped shooting.
I think we are all a little hung up on averages and concerned how a hard shoot can damage them. I think we forget that for most this is a hobby. No body I work with or live with cares if I put a straight in on the 70 yard midi, only I do.
Hi Tom, not having a go at you or anyone else, but do you honestly think that 91 at Owls Lodge was too low for high gun? I'd have thought on a (wet and windy?) February day, 91 would be a perfectly reasonable HG and your 72 in B class would be right around your class average, certainly not that far off
Hi James
No I think 91 was spot on, fantastic shooting in that weather on that course, A class shooter 2. When I finished the course I said I would be surprised if anyone broke 90.
My point was we are all getting used to seeing 95-97 take high guns, with the classes only 10 or so behind. It is not unusual to see C/B class shooters in the mix nowadays.
If it had been won on a 95, the band wagon of "it was too easy" would start. Won on an 80 too hard.
It should be in my humble opinion that C should be around 70-75, B around 75-80 A 80-85 AA 85+
Everyone has a good day. But I think the scores nowadays give a false perspective too many.
I think my good day should be putting in a mid A class score around the 80 mark.
I think it is difficult for a course setter as I said, got to keep the people coming back, but if the classes got used to putting in scores around the class cut offs it would help.
Being disappointed that I have only shot a 76 in C class I hear a lot, You have shot a score two classes above your ability mate, but this is becoming the norm. If they shoot a C class score it was too hard....
Personally I would rather shoot a harder shoot, not worried about the average that will be what it will be, a true average.
Yesterday was not an average score for me was slightly lower than my current average, but I drove home with a smile on my face, as nailed some hard birds a felt that I had achieved something.
As Will put to me yesterday on a tricky stand “Kudos on the midi mate”
I regularly shoot with people who have better ability than I do, although that is not difficult!, and when I can keep up with them on some stands it builds confidence.
I think shooting has got bogged down with averages and scores, it is supposed to be a hobby and an enjoyable pastime.
The satisfaction for me is hitting the hard stuff and feel like I am improving. I would rather win a class on a 50 on a difficult shoot, than win on 86 on an easy shoot.
The score should be relevant to the shoot not the prerequisite of your day. It is supposed to be fun.
No I think 91 was spot on, fantastic shooting in that weather on that course, A class shooter 2. When I finished the course I said I would be surprised if anyone broke 90.
My point was we are all getting used to seeing 95-97 take high guns, with the classes only 10 or so behind. It is not unusual to see C/B class shooters in the mix nowadays.
If it had been won on a 95, the band wagon of "it was too easy" would start. Won on an 80 too hard.
It should be in my humble opinion that C should be around 70-75, B around 75-80 A 80-85 AA 85+
Everyone has a good day. But I think the scores nowadays give a false perspective too many.
I think my good day should be putting in a mid A class score around the 80 mark.
I think it is difficult for a course setter as I said, got to keep the people coming back, but if the classes got used to putting in scores around the class cut offs it would help.
Being disappointed that I have only shot a 76 in C class I hear a lot, You have shot a score two classes above your ability mate, but this is becoming the norm. If they shoot a C class score it was too hard....
Personally I would rather shoot a harder shoot, not worried about the average that will be what it will be, a true average.
Yesterday was not an average score for me was slightly lower than my current average, but I drove home with a smile on my face, as nailed some hard birds a felt that I had achieved something.
As Will put to me yesterday on a tricky stand “Kudos on the midi mate
”I regularly shoot with people who have better ability than I do, although that is not difficult!, and when I can keep up with them on some stands it builds confidence.
I think shooting has got bogged down with averages and scores, it is supposed to be a hobby and an enjoyable pastime.
The satisfaction for me is hitting the hard stuff and feel like I am improving. I would rather win a class on a 50 on a difficult shoot, than win on 86 on an easy shoot.
The score should be relevant to the shoot not the prerequisite of your day. It is supposed to be fun.
