strange things are happening (re-seeing lead)

[ips]

doing all these sim driven days is great for gun mount and general practice (obviously) but a strange thing is happening and I am not sure I like it.

I shoot some version of a Churchill style so I don't see lead, never have BUT the last two shoots I am becoming aware of seeing lead. This is not good as it goes against everything I believe however (i hate the next bit) i am nailing dammed near everything i shoot at incl right lefts and high trebor mints. Even getting praise from next peg "good shot" or from my loader . The world as i know it is imploding, be wearing ruddy maroon next.

 

[Brand New]

See an exorcist,

 

[shortlegs]

All this non- trap shooting stuff maybe turning you into a hedge monkey sporting shooter seeing lead  

 

[balltrap]

All this non- trap shooting stuff maybe turning you into a hedge monkey sporting shooter seeing lead  

I think your spot on Gareth  :wink:

 

[ips]

its a terrible affliction, not sure if I like it ?

if I ever buy a semi auto please kill me

 

[balltrap]

its a terrible affliction, not sure if I like it ?

if I ever buy a semi auto please kill me




 




 

With pleasure you will not need to ask twice :lol:

 

[paul b]

I often see the gap or the lead on fast trap but dont conciously do anything to make that happen,same with sporting the gap appears and the trigger gets pulled when everything feels right,but at no point am i ever thinking oh that needs xy or z of lead.

 

[Will Hewland]

Gotta say it again, you are headed nowhere decent in Sporting if you can't perceive lead. I would suggest to anybody who is currently fixed with "gun-speed / no lead" that wants to start learning how to see the gap; try some diminishing-lead shooting. That means touch the clay, pull out way in front, then slow up gently so the clay comes towards then gun gradually. You'll see the gap. Most of those barrel cam videos are shot like this.

But if you don't want to develop seeing lead, then that's fine. A lifetime in C or B class is no shame. ?

Big tin-hat on. ???

 

[schmokinn]

I have come to the conclusion that seeing lead is not a problem for me.

Looking for it and trying to replicate/measure it is as this causes me to try to change what i did in the first place to create said lead usually resulting in a miss.

I appreciate everyone is different but that is where i am at right now.

Bit more focus in the cage is what i need!

 

[ips]

I often see the gap or the lead on fast trap but dont conciously do anything to make that happen,same with sporting the gap appears and the trigger gets pulled when everything feels right,but at no point am i ever thinking oh that needs xy or z of lead.

Paul has explained it very well here. I may be starting to be aware of it BUT I am definitely not consciously measuring it as such.

 

[Will Hewland]

Paul has explained it very well here. I may be starting to be aware of it BUT I am definitely not consciously measuring it as such.

Define "measuring". Hanging on for ages or faffing around won't help, but if you are conscious of the size of the gap, then you have measured it, even if it was judged in a fraction of a second and you can't quote a distance afterwards. It's like saying swing-through is good or bad. If you swing-through like a whip then it's very different to overtaking the clay at a gentle rate. (I prefer the latter..). 

 

[DavidJ]

On a sporting layout how would you repeate the shot if you weren't aware of lead. How would you correct a miss if you weren't aware of the lead.

Choose a kill point and stick with it. If you change your effectively taking X number of different shots at the same clay. You might get away with it some days but you won't get consistency.

One tip that has improved my scores is not to think that the lead looks about right, work you eye's even harder at the point you pull the trigger. If you see three clays lead the make it three clays on every shot.

There's also an exercise Ben H does to show barrell to clay perception. Well worth a lesson with him.

 

[Will Hewland]

On a sporting layout how would you repeate the shot if you weren't aware of lead. How would you correct a miss if you weren't aware of the lead.

Choose a kill point and stick with it. If you change your effectively taking X number of different shots at the same clay. You might get away with it some days but you won't get consistency.

One tip that has improved my scores is not to think that the lead looks about right, work you eye's even harder at the point you pull the trigger. If you see three clays lead the make it three clays on every shot.

There's also an exercise Ben H does to show barrell to clay perception. Well worth a lesson with him.

Absolutely. The only caveat is that if you want a three clay gap to work every time, you need to be moving the gun at the same speed every time too. Once you're mixing speed and gaps up, you're playing pin the tail on the donkey. Three clays gap (1 foot) is pretty tame as an example of course. Seeing lead is important on the longer targets, where it's more like 3 yards. Admittedly, only 10-30% of most sporting courses require much lead and this is why you can make B class without being able to do it. 

 

[Les53]

Well when I used to shoot shotguns I mainly shot trap, I was not aware of any lead being given. However on the rare occasions when I shot skeet or sporting, I did see lead on certain targets, but I never actually measured it out, in fact I never even mounted the gun until I was almost ready to pull the trigger, it was a case of gun hits the shoulder, trigger pulled a split second after. 

 

[ips]

Well when I used to shoot shotguns I mainly shot trap, I was not aware of any lead being given. However on the rare occasions when I shot skeet or sporting, I did see lead on certain targets, but I never actually measured it out, in fact I never even mounted the gun until I was almost ready to pull the trigger, it was a case of gun hits the shoulder, trigger pulled a split second after. 

this

 

[DavidJ]

Absolutely. The only caveat is that if you want a three clay gap to work every time, you need to be moving the gun at the same speed every time too. Once you're mixing speed and gaps up, you're playing pin the tail on the donkey. Three clays gap (1 foot) is pretty tame as an example of course. Seeing lead is important on the longer targets, where it's more like 3 yards. Admittedly, only 10-30% of most sporting courses require much lead and this is why you can make B class without being able to do it. 

Agreed, a good routine should help you setup to reproduce the same shot. All easier said than done though or we'd all be AAA shooters.

I'm still new to competition shooting and over thinking half way through a stand can hurt my scores.

 

[westley]

See an exorcist,

That's a missile isn't it   ?

 

[westley]

Paul has explained it very well here. I may be starting to be aware of it BUT I am definitely not consciously measuring it as such.

 I think that you will probably have not seen any lead on Trap targets, because it is far less than you will be applying to crossing or driven targets. Because the lead required is greater and because there will be 'more sky' between gun and clay AND you have more time to study it, you are becoming more conscious of the 'lead'.  Take a teal target for instance, if you shoot it on it's way up, you will need to 'lose it' beneath the gun and then bang. You will, like an angled Trap target, have applied lead, but you are unable to see it and therefore it will not register the same. With a driven or crossing target, we both know that you will need to shoot in front of it, by how much is the variable. That is when things start to go wrong,  if you try and analyse it. If you are shooting so well remember "IF IT AIN'T BROKEN,  ETC, ETC."

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Seeing a "lead" with what you are doing now is nothing more than a aspect of more time to think about slow targets