Time limits?

[Dog Tyred]

Just been watching the womens trap final from the Olympics and the Spanish shooter, Galves, consistantly takes between 16 and 20 seconds to call for a target after the previous shooter has fired which would frustrate the hell out me if I was shooting next in a squad.

The ISSF rule book says 'a shooter must take position, close the gun and call for the target within 10 seconds after the previous shooter has fired at a regular target....in case of non-compliance with this time limit, the penalties provided in the rules will be applied.'

So how did she get away without a warning or a penalty?

DT

 

[ips]

That is a good question, I have never shot on the international circuit however I have shot most of the big UK shoots over the years incl many selection shoots etc and I have never witnessed anyone being warned. In fact I have only ever heard of one incident which was one of our top DTL shooters (top of his game in the 80-90s and still a fair shot now) being told to speed up by a ref at the kriegoff. He isnt fast but definately not slow enough to require such treatment, needless to say he was not best pleased.

Maybe one or more of our learned friends who have shot some of the internationals can shed further light on it but I suspect that particularily in OT it is a rule that is there but never acctaully applied as watching some of em on issf you have time to make yourself a brew and not miss anything

 

[RobertBeard]

10 seconds does not sound a lot especially as the incoming shooter has to rely on the outgoing shooter to clear the firing point in due haste!

Certainly doesn't seem to be time for fiddling about aligning shell lettering etc!

 

[Dog Tyred]

10 seconds does not sound a lot especially as the incoming shooter has to rely on the outgoing shooter to clear the firing point in due haste!

Certainly doesn't seem to be time for fiddling about aligning shell lettering etc!

Not sure I follow? There is always plenty of time for fiddling in OT? Especially if you've got Galves next to you :huh: Unless of course you are referring to Skeet in which case you are allowed 15 seconds to walk onto the stand and call a target.

I should have embedded a link to the video clip so here it is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/2012/live-video/p00w30z0

Rossi (6) take her first shot at 6 minutes in followed by Galves (1) 22 seconds later.

DT

 

[watchman]

I shot the OT Grand prix at southern counties last month and I saw two people warned about time limits on two seperate sqauds by the same ref , I was sat on one side as a flag ref when this happened, the same ref also warned me about my feet position on the pad, so I think maybe he was a little bit officious.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Don't forget though in the ISSF international majors and Olympics the person shooting No1 has a 'forced' time wait before they can shoot...this is due to TV purposes..... each time No1 he/her shoots. This can make them look as if they are delaying. I cannot remember if Fatima was No1 on squad or not. Either way she is a cracking shot and very experienced.

 

[sidney]

Guy next to me was warned about timings by an Issf ref in a final a few months back. He was only just over, and in his defence the guy to his right wasn't clearing his peg fast enough which wasn't helping. Still got given a warning though so in my limited experience they are usually pretty hot on it. 10 secs doesn't sound like much but it's surprising just how long it is in the shoot. As Nic pointed out if she was peg 1 she would have had an imposed 10 second delay before she could start her mounting/preparation. Don't suppose the footage you are watching is on the tinterweb?

 

[RobertBeard]

At the end of the day ISSF rules are very much driven by the requirements of TV at World Cups and the Olympics to make a TV spectacle and here we have the crazy situation of small local events been ruthlessly policed whilst the rules are being ignored inthe Olympics - Crazy.

The latest target shooting rule changes are an absolute joke and have all trainers, coaches and althletes up in ams at the unreasonable cost implications for local competitions where these things do not matter a jot other than to one or two people per nation who might qualify for the Olympics. The cost of change is quite unreasonable and the ISSF needs to pay attention to these unreasonable cost changes.

 

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Have to say that I did not see any rule abuse at the clay shooting part of the Olympics. I thought they ran really well......a really great enjoyable event.

 

[Fuzrat]

Funny that when a time rule exists in a discipline it is implemented in a rather patchy way but when there is no mention of a time rule (booklet 7, English Sporting) it is enforced rigorously at an ESP Major :huh:

 

[Dog Tyred]

Have to say that I did not see any rule abuse at the clay shooting part of the Olympics. I thought they ran really well......a really great enjoyable event.

NicYou make a valid point regarding a forced delay on shooter 1 due to TV, which Galvez was in that particular line. Looking back at the mens final exactly the same thing.

Also in agreement regarding the Olympics. I was at Woolwich for the mens trap final and thought the whole event brilliantly organised and very enjoyable.

DT