Trap question

[chippy]

A question for the trap shooters on here.i dont shoot much trap mainly sporting but last sunday i shot the intercounties ABT at nottingham and it was blowing a hooley and i was struggling to hold the gun straight.someone said to hold further out on the fore end and it worked i went from 16 and 18 on the first 50 to 23 and 24 on the second in the same wind and it felt much more controlled.so is this a normal hold in good conditions for trap shooting.

 

[Alan Rowley]

I never change my gun hold personally, when it's windy, the targets are moving around too much I'm just grateful if I hit some, have you considered you may not have had your gun hold correctly (by that I mean in an optimum position for you personally ) because moving your arm further down the fore end will lower the barrels a bit, I have to that when shooting my dads inherited side by side cos it's about 3/4 of an inch to short for me

 

[jwpzx9r]

Its a personal thing I hold my fore end well forward tip of index finger about one inch from the end. Anyway 23 and 24 at ABT in poor conditions you want to give up that sporting lark and take up trap you could go far! Also I could be wrong but I don't think that holding the gun forward on the fore end will lower your barrels it is a gun up discipline so you have taken this into account in your set up and the gun will shoot where you point it or over if its a trap gun, if it were gun down I would agree.

 

[Alan Rowley]

I'm sure holding the gun further down the fire end alters the point of aim, if you mount your gun normally at an aim point, say a picture hook, then move your arm forward whilst holding the gun, your barrel appears to drop

 

[Les53]

I always have the same forend hold, however I do change where I look and how high my hold point is in relation to the traphouse lid. It all depends on the light/background and how the wind is affecting the targets! As far as forend grips go, in general holding nearer the action increases speed but could result in less control. Its a personal thing really, some like a long grip, others hold close to the action.

 

[jwpzx9r]

I'm sure holding the gun further down the fire end alters the point of aim, if you mount your gun normally at an aim point, say a picture hook, then move your arm forward whilst holding the gun, your barrel appears to drop

Never tried that to be honest but I think we are talking across each other. What I am saying is trap is gun up you have a set up routine , or should have. When you mount your gun the position of you hand on the fore end is all taken into account and the gun will shoot where you want it to. That I believe is why it is very important to try to do the same set up routine for every shot if you don't you will get less than consistent results. A tip for the wandering left hand is to stick a little rubber bead of the sort used to stop cupboard doors closing with a bang on the point of the fore end where the tip of your index finger touches when holding the gun when its perfect for you. Feel for it every time when mounting the gun after a while you will automatically hold the gun the same way every time you mount it.

 

[Alan Rowley]

Sorry for the misunderstanding , I shoot trap, gun up, and sporting gun down, I find my periphical vision is impeded if I try to shoot gun up sporting,

 

[ips]

I always have the same forend hold, however I do change where I look and how high my hold point is in relation to the traphouse lid. It all depends on the light/background and how the wind is affecting the targets! As far as forend grips go, in general holding nerarer the action increases speed but could result in less control. Its a personal thing really, some like a long grip, others hold close to the action.

+1

 

[ips]

A question for the trap shooters on here.i dont shoot much trap mainly sporting but last sunday i shot the intercounties ABT at nottingham and it was blowing a hooley and i was struggling to hold the gun straight.someone said to hold further out on the fore end and it worked i went from 16 and 18 on the first 50 to 23 and 24 on the second in the same wind and it felt much more controlled.so is this a normal hold in good conditions for trap shooting.

maybe you had just got your eye in by the second 50 ie got your timing correct, and nothing to do with hand position .... just a thought.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I always have the same forend hold, however I do change where I look and how high my hold point is in relation to the traphouse lid. It all depends on the light/background and how the wind is affecting the targets! As far as forend grips go, in general holding nearer the action increases speed but could result in less control. Its a personal thing really, some like a long grip, others hold close to the action.

Speed control - absolutely.  Well, OK, comfort too.  I hold pretty close to the action (and shorter LOP) because that just feels natural now, more like I'm connected to the gun.  I used to reach way out, thanks to advice from some local "experts" when I was a beginner shotgunner, but ABT, bunker and pigeons showed me the error of that.  You can get away with a lot of BS at ATA trap since there is not that much target motion, but anything else is a different story.  Also take more muscle to hold the gun up further out  FWIW.  The long hold does smooth things out simply cuz it's slower - that would be a higher moment of inertia for the body/gun system.

 

[chippy]

I never change my gun hold personally, when it's windy, the targets are moving around too much I'm just grateful if I hit some, have you considered you may not have had your gun hold correctly (by that I mean in an optimum position for you personally ) because moving your arm further down the fore end will lower the barrels a bit, I have to that when shooting my dads inherited side by side cos it's about 3/4 of an inch to short for me

The targets were not that badly affected maybe a bit faster but flying straight.the main problem was holding the gun straight in the gusts.

 

[Alan Rowley]

I see now what you mean, me being a bit portly ( those of you that know me, please stop sniggering) have the same problem.