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Now your talking👍,  enjoy what you enjoy doing..  we'll all be dead long enough 

They done same here last year, no difference in price for tt ones compared to f blu,  f blacks.. they all are around  €330 a thousand.. no one stocks tt ones now. No one will be shooting clays in a couple of years 

I have a summit ascent. Lm / M will powder clays on a sporting course.  Probably too tight. Skeet and 1/4 will handle most sporting targets too. Geurini's hit hard 👊

Won't mind the thump, as long as they smash Clay's 👍

Above shell,  would people consider a decent fibre cartridge? Have to use fibre at this weekend and I can purchase these? Many thanks ..

Good advice. Ya still have to work as hard to break them.. 

Cylinder choke is a advantage on quick close snappy birds, and close rabbit's. Definitely more of a advantage than using a no. 9 in a  1/2 choke.. this comes from somebody that rarely changes chokes.  1/4 and 1/2 in a geurini seems to break most stuff if I do my bit. But stick in a cylinder some...

I know a few lads that have had lessons with one big name coach,  these lads in fairness just will never make brilliant shots and I think they get a bit starry eyed ,and think a few lessons with this man will work magic when a opportunity comes up to get lessons with him.. no disrespect to this...

You won't find  f blu in a 8. They don't make them.  Only 7 1/2. Italian.  And honestly I think it makes 0 difference, practically ,on closer stuff and benefit on rangier birds. But maybe it makes a difference in some people head.  And clay shooting is definitely a head game.  Another good shell...

Is there any shell cheap now to make a difference in savings?? Like a 21 g fiocchi tt compared to a fiocchi f blu. They are both expensive now, but not as expensive as hull pro one or sovereign.  So split the difference,  use f blu for everything.  They are a top class cartridge that will break...

This abouts sums it up. And there definitely is " technical targets " or very  deceptive targets.  

 Not questioning your knowledge k80ben, but I have fired alot of different clay cartridges over the years and  have found that  a soft to mild recoil cartridge can hit harder than thumpier quick cartridge. Some say slower cartridge hold tighter pattern,  I dunno. One  particular cartridge...

Have seen a few 2and hand pro sports for sale, and looked like blacking  on action and barrels had wore/ faded.  

Republic of Ireland 

No such thing as a cheap cartridge here any more.  eley Olympic, €300 at the minute , Tunnet universal €300,Chediddte universal €300, fiocchi tt one €305 all going to rise in price again shortly. they would be classed as budget cartridges here, and more than good enough for me to break clays. ...

I'm sure it isn't in the cartridge manufacturer interest to cripple shooting folk with such high rising price increases because obviously less shooting less sales. Although it would seem there is alot of jumping on the band wagon when it comes to huge price increases on everything these days...

Its crazy. They can blame covid,  Ukraine war what ever other excuses they can make up. But its extortion. And every gunshop saying they going up again this month (June). Last year fiocchi f black were on average €250 a k. They are now from €310+ depending where you buy them, and if you can get...

Slightly off topic,  but do people shoot better with better quality made guns?? Example moving from a cg to a kreighoff or beretta 694 to a blaser f3? Just curious on what people thoughts are.. I personally don't think it makes much difference, my latest swap three years ago, was from a 32"...

Can't comment on browning chokes,  but I have  a Cesar geurini summit ascent and the chokes that are with it absolutely smokes clays, for example the light mod seems to hit as hard at 40 yards as 20 yards. Really does powder them. 

A good 28g no.9 with half choke evaporates Clay's up to 30 yards🤠