Another CPSA Director Resignation

[Les53]

Steve, there are some of us that could produce a list of what we feel is wrong with the cpsa. Yes members money often seems to be spent in ways that may not always appear to benefit most members. As for sitting on the board and working for free, no neither would I, but there are some who will do it, some to further the sport and some to massage their own egos I would think. Yes the Olympic thing is a big focus and it does only affect a tiny number of people.

 

[paul b]

Look at the bigger picture re the olympic thing,its the only conection we have with the generall public,ill bet more folk have herd of willson than digweed,im a shooter and never herd of wilson untilll the olympic win,and its as far as i know the only way shooting gets any public moneys.

 

[Dog Tyred]

arghh but the Olympics is one of the only times our sport is in the headlines for the right reasons as it reminds the public that what we do is actually an Olympic sport, not just a bunch of gun toting toffs killing innocent wildlife for pleasure.  And besides I'm not sure that the CPSA actually gets involved financially with the Olympics that much?

As for the board, I am still utterly confused as to how the chairman can be voted off the board and then walk straight back in to the same position. I've met TB briefly at SC a couple of years ago and he seemed a decent sort in the hotel bar. Obviously a slightly different character in the boardroom?

As for what they actually discuss at these meetings I have no idea although I suspect not much about shooting and shooters. Maybe I should put myself forward as a board member to find out. Are the sanitised versions of board minutes available to members anywhere??

As Steve said above shooters moan about the CPSA but never seem to put it into actual hard facts what it is they are moaning about. What is it that the CPSA are not doing that you (the membership) think they should be doing? I wholeheartedly agree that they should not be wasting membership fees on in-house legal disputes, especially when one of the board members is a partner in the company being employed to provide legal advice. Surely that is why he is there as a board member, to provide legal advice to the board??

Personally I am not sure what else the CPSA should be doing which they are already not (except not spending huge amounts of money on data bases, legal fees, free junkets to far flung places, etc, etc - all with no apparent need to justify these actions to the members).

I would love to hear what it is other forum members think the CPSA should be doing over and above what they do now.

DT

 

[paul b]

Minutes can be found on a drop down at the top of the cpsa site.

 

[Rosso]

I have read the disgruntled resignation letter and if you have to resign you are not going to be happy.

For my £60 or what ever the membership is - I get insurance, 10 x free mags must be worth £3.00 each, post must be a quid, they do organize reg shoots and the avs, grade grounds, set a standard and rules for discipline's, put on and run championships, something to do with the Olympics, offer qualifications in coaching, do the Prem league. Last year I won £250 and 500 white golds at Prem shoots, missed the gun by one ticket.

I have always had replies to my mails, but then any issues I mail direct to that person.

Would like to see grounds inspected more to check that a certain standard is being met.

Really the can do no more for me.

Don't like bullies much as this chap appears to be.

You want to see gun toting toffs go to the CLA enclosure at the game fair plenty in there. Ohh you cant its not viable and no more.

 

[Sian]

Rosso did you have to remind me about the gun

 

[shootinguru]

Who wrote that Rosso you or the freaking parrot?

 

[woody]

I'm joining the CPSA finally.  I want to start getting out there and seeing bigger shoots/more target presentations and partaking in the premier league etc.

I also want to one day make the step from running THE BEST straw-baler in Sussex to a registered shoot. it will be slowly slowly catchy monkey and i'm sure i'll need them more than they need me.

 

[ehb102]

I'd like to see transparency at Board level. I want to know what motions are put to the board and who voted which way. You can have that at even Parish Council level.

 

[RobertBeard]

I agree that the Olympics are the shop front of our sport so long may we continue to have first class Trap & Skeet shooters performing at the Olympics, however it is British Shooting who fund the Olympic shooters and choose the shooters because Sport England some years ago washed their hands of the National Shooting bodies who refused to merge and operate democratically and in accordance with modern and best commercial practice and corporate governance.  The CPSA were the ones who pulled out first!

 

[Rosso]

Who wrote that Rosso you or the freaking parrot?

Guru that grey bast*** has a pic of you in that freaking white hat in its cage. I am training it to like you. It keeps on kissing you and puffing its feathers out, a sign of fondness, it also keeps on regurgitating its dinner all over you too, this means it likes you very much.

However when I read your anti grey bast*** posts to him he gets upset and attacks me. So try to be nice.

 

[maddmatt]

I have been hosting registered shoots now for 13 years averaging 3 to 4 a month so quite a lot and seen and met a few shooters along the way , now I've always heard the CPSA are pretty much useless !!! But when I ask the simple question what would you change ?? Or what else would you like see happen nearly everyone's answer is " well they are rubbish !!!

so here is my view on CPSA , the office staff are excellent at what they do , supporting members , grounds , big shoots and everyday run of the mill stuff .the board room is probably another story but as we discussed last night at a meeting no body knows what happens in there unless you are present then most of it is confidential but does it all affect everyday shooting , no I'm not sure it does , as registered shoots now are busier than I've ever known , championship entries are always a sell out , new initiatives for youngsters have been introduced , we as a game have had our profile lifted in the public domain , I do however think some of members monies are spent in the wrong direction at times and needs to be explained more to members why .i think there is too much importance put into the " Olympics " which really only affects a very tiny minority 

is the board room a closed shop ?? Who would want to give their time and efforts for free to do the job ?? Not me for one !!

so let's carry on enjoying what we do most , week in week out , shooting clays , we have enough people and bodies against us already without fighting within .

so the horse as bolted let's lock the door !!!

Steve

This isn't really what a large majority of shooters are complaining about, the CPSA is run well by the staff that runs it, where it falls over big time is at the board. Lack of Integrity, lack of transparency, highly questionable behaviour and not just the example from the complaint Joe has made, nepotism, general ineptitude in running, what is essentially, an amateur association, disregard for the membership, disregard for the articles of association that should prevent all the above.

Why would any rationale human being with an IQ above 75 would want to be part of that collective group of narcissistic baboons is beyond me, as I said... the power sits with the ground owners, imagine what would happen if they formed their own association... just think

 

[shootinguru]

What if I posted a picture of PAXO stufing?

I have always said  The CPSA needs grounds to exist!  Grounds can function 100% without the CPSA!

 

[Salopian]

" IF " Clayshooting was run by the Grounds, and remember you old fogies Bob & Jamie Garland tried a Ground Owners Association years ago which was trampled on by the CPSA, there is no doubt in my mind that Clayshooting as a Sport would take off like a Rocket.

'IF' we could spend our money at National, Internationals and weekend club shoots at grounds like Owls Lodge, Westfield, Hodnet, Catton Hall, Coniston, etc,etc.

Just imagine the social , family atmosphere those places would create.

It as been mentioned that possibly the real issue with the CPSA is The Board , or more correctly the Quango/Dictatorship.

Certainly I think we have to agree that there is little or no fault with the staff who without exception I find do a marvellous job.

I think it would be brilliant for clayshooting to be organised by a Groundowners Association, bring it on.

No doubt someone will comment " Be careful what you wish for."

 

[Les53]

" IF " Clayshooting was run by the Grounds, and remember you old fogies Bob & Jamie Garland tried a Ground Owners Association years ago which was trampled on by the CPSA, there is no doubt in my mind that Clayshooting as a Sport would take off like a Rocket.

'IF' we could spend our money at National, Internationals and weekend club shoots at grounds like Owls Lodge, Westfield, Hodnet, Catton Hall, Coniston, etc,etc.

Just imagine the social , family atmosphere those places would create.

It as been mentioned that possibly the real issue with the CPSA is The Board , or more correctly the Quango/Dictatorship.

Certainly I think we have to agree that there is little or no fault with the staff who without exception I find do a marvellous job.

I think it would be brilliant for clayshooting to be organised by a Groundowners Association, bring it on.

No doubt someone will comment " Be careful what you wish for."

Yes Pete, I agree with the above, however the CPSA has a tight grip on things and unless the grounds and the members actually do something then nothing is going to change. Without the ground owners, clay shooting would just be straw bale shoots as we all know. Nicola is part of an organisation called FEDECAT as some of us know, I understand that they are going to be holding a comp or two in the UK this year. As you rightly point out, the staff of the CPSA do a brilliant job, as do those volunteers at county level, it is how the people at the top carry on that seems to get to most people. Most of us old timers know that neither the ground owners or the members are actually going to do anything.

 

[CharlesP]

On the plus side I was at Purbeck Shooting School yesterday and there were a couple of dozen serving members of the armed forces being taken on a "taster" session - partly organised by the CPSA. So please don't anyone think I don't notice the good bits!

 

[Salopian]

Well it does seem as though the real issue is with the way the Chairman operates at Board meetings .

But if those of you who know and can remember at the last AGM he lost his Directorship and place on The Board.

A couple of months later he was back on the Board as the SW Regional Director and subsequently voted on as Chairman (again), all legal and above board (pardon the pun). What many have forgotten is that at the same AGM we gave away our rights to elect and deselect The Chairman. So we are now stuck with him forever.

 

[Sian]

https://www.cpsa.co.uk/news/cpsa-hq/2016/03/08/west-midlands-regional-director-resigns

Their response ?

 

[ehb102]

I've never seen a CPSA response that didn't say:

You misunderstood.

We were right to do what we did.

You are too sensitive.

 

[Les53]

I've never seen a CPSA response that didn't say:

You misunderstood.

We were right to do what we did.

You are too sensitive.

Sorry, but some of us old buggers are less than amazed! ?