Big brother...

[ChrisPackham]

Without becoming paranoid i do worry about data held about people, but 'we' shooters in particular

I heard a story recently from a friend who was stopped, supposedly randomly and asked to confirm that he was shotgun licence holder and whether he had a gun in the car (he did, he was stopped outside a clay ground) and whether he could show his cert, which he could.

Just  bit unnerving really and it makes me wonder whether he was right to confirm that he was carrying  shotgun in the car (albeit out of view and so forth) surely he should be trying to disguise this fact?

My understanding is that he wasn't speeding and hadn't been involved in any event that would give rise to any interest in him.  So far as i am aware he has no adverse record and he certainly has no reason to lie about this

I guess my question is what should one do if found in that situation?

Thanks

 

[Jonah_116]

Who was he stopped by ? The police? Then why would you worry about the data held about us shooters as the data is held by...... The police the authority that issues the licence in the first place.

 

[ips]

I believe that everytime a police vehicle plate recognition camera clocks you then the fact that you are a reg firearm's licence holder flags up "potential firearms on board" or summat like that. Also cross referenced against passport and anything else official that one may have or do such as child protection check crb etc etc. Cant see any harm in it myself.

this is my understanding but could be talking bollox

 

[westley]

I believe that everytime a police vehicle plate recognition camera clocks you then the fact that you are a reg firearm's licence holder flags up "potential firearms on board" or summat like that. Also cross referenced against passport and anything else official that one may have or do such as child protection check crb etc etc. Cant see any harm in it myself.

this is my understanding but could be talking bollox

NO, NO, I think you are correct. The only time it may vary is in Morrisons car park,  where it probably flags up "Plonker on board" !!!

 

[ips]

ruddy ell its not often I am correct. Will give myself a gold star

 

[Santa2512]

I detect a bit of Snopes  here ,

Lots of unsubstantiated stuff, but little facts!

If i drove past an ANPR camera, it would tell plod some info about the registerd keeper...  Mrs Santa.    

No link to me or any of my licences..... even if stopped, they still dont have a link to you until you give your details.

I know plod places markers on vehicles that have been involved in drugs or robbery offences, but again its only the vehicle.

Until you get a tame fed to give definitive data, then its Snopes

:santa: x

 

[Ian Lawrence]

Always, always, always keep the engine running, lie through your teeth and then outrun the b*ast*rds when they try to arrest you.

Never fails to raise attention!!    (Just joking for those who take things too literally!).

Just a random spot check by the sounds of it (but perhaps with a little insider information as Ips says). Be thankful there's someone left who might just be concerned for the security of the citizens in this country. Shows the value of always having your licence with you or they may have confiscated the gun(s) to be collected later on prduction of the licence. They do not hold your guns with as much affection as you do, so don't expect them to be undamaged when you collect.

 

[Jan Powell]

I believe that everytime a police vehicle plate recognition camera clocks you then the fact that you are a reg firearm's licence holder flags up "potential firearms on board" or summat like that. Also cross referenced against passport and anything else official that one may have or do such as child protection check crb etc etc. Cant see any harm in it myself.

this is my understanding but could be talking bollox

No, that's not the case. It would only flag up if there's specific information about the vehicle, its owner or user.

There's nothing on ANPR to indicate its used by a certificate holder.

As for always carrying your certificate, do by all means if you want to, but the police have NFLMS access 24/7. They will probably be able to establish your certificate details quicker than you can find it.

 

[westley]

No, that's not the case. It would only flag up if there's specific information about the vehicle, its owner or user.

There's nothing on ANPR to indicate its used by a certificate holder.

As for always carrying your certificate, do by all means if you want to, but the police have NFLMS access 24/7. They will probably be able to establish your certificate details quicker than you can find it.

It depends on how far I am travelling from home address. If you are unable to produce your Certificate and there is a computer glitch, then your gun/s will be confiscated until you can produce a valid Certificate. All well and good if your are local but a P.I.A. if you are away from home. 

 

[ips]

No, that's not the case. It would only flag up if there's specific information about the vehicle, its owner or user.

There's nothing on ANPR to indicate its used by a certificate holder.

As for always carrying your certificate, do by all means if you want to, but the police have NFLMS access 24/7. They will probably be able to establish your certificate details quicker than you can find it.

well you may well be correct BUT I would be very surprised indeed if every aspect of a firearm licence holders life is not cross referenced to the fact.

the op's scenario would certainly concur.

 

[Jan Powell]

well you may well be correct BUT I would be very surprised indeed if every aspect of a firearm licence holders life is not cross referenced to the fact.

No, it's not. NFLMS gives licensing information, that's all. Assuming you're not a criminal the police aren't interested in other aspects of your life, certificate holder or not.

 

[ChrisPackham]

No, it's not. NFLMS gives licensing information, that's all. Assuming you're not a criminal the police aren't interested in other aspects of your life, certificate holder or not.

Well that's reassuring.. Obviously just coincidence 

 

[Les]

If big brother was watching me, he'd be in for a really boring day! :angel:

 

[Rosso]

Well that's reassuring.. Obviously just coincidence 

Or they know everything and big brother is watching you. Don't believe a word a copper tells you about what they are not doing. We are the most watched / listened too people in the world.

When I got nicked for my first speeding offence in 40 odd years ( by an unmarked Audi estate) with a clean license I got lectured by the the police about how it would effect my license renewals if I got nicked again as the offence had a bearing on my character. They new the ins and outs of a ducks arse. 

 

[ips]

and how did they know you had a licence ?

I rest my case mi lud.

 

[Santa2512]

and how did they know you had a licence ?

I rest my case mi lud.

Because ...

Car ...

Returns registered keeper details / address   If the car is regitered to his mum/son/brother/aunt/uncle/cousin  

Roud fund details Y / N

MOT details    Y/N

Nothing to link  you to your guns! 

Its only when YOU give YOUR personal  details, that the pnc checks care done,  ie outstanding warrants etc.  and the flag will show SGC holder

If you wanted to go for it and give false details, then chances are nothing would show up.   however you open a world of pain by doing that

For the record, im known but not wanted.

I have 6 alas's, failed countless breath teats,  numerous speeding offences (all unproven), questions asked about the multiple items found in my possesion

And have escaped custody without fail for the last 50 odd years...

Yet every years i get the same questions.

"Is this your vehicle", "where are you going at this time of the morning", "anything in your vehicle that shouldn't be there", the list goes on.

But never have they linked Shotgun to sleigh

:santa: x

 

[Rosso]

and how did they know you had a licence ?

I rest my case mi lud.

It either came up on the police nick nick device in the car or they radioed the details in whilst they were chasing me down the M23 like a criminal for my first ever motoring offence in 40 odd years. Great 3pts £60 fine for doing 5mph over the new suggested motorway speed of 85. What I didn't need was interrogating about what I had in the boot or my legally held guns.

Yes Ian I'm squeaky clean full CRB or whatever it's called now. Points come of any day now after 3 years, but still count on insurance for 5. How fairs that. So yes that's another member of the shooting fraternity that's never going to ever do another police shoot which incidentally they get paid for doing. 

Big brother is watching you, easy targets we are.

 

[ips]

either way the fact that your a licence holder did at some stage flag up so the others are being pedantic about how it got flagged, it did end of and again I rest my case.

if anyone thinks for one minute that the "officials" don't have immediate access to your life then they are deluded Imo.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

either way the fact that your a licence holder did at some stage flag up so the others are being pedantic about how it got flagged, it did end of and again I rest my case.

if anyone thinks for one minute that the "officials" don't have immediate access to your life then they are deluded Imo.

Well, BFD.  If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide.  Or fear.  That's what I've read and been told anyway.  

Best of luck with that