I suspect that you and I may be rather biased towards Miroku!!! ..BTW Buy a Miroku and have done with it
Browning Cynergy
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jake.keeling
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Got to agree with everyone, I liked the concept of the Cynergy, but Browning got it badly wrong! Quick story about the plastic one- my team mate had one in Rhodes and we had to lock them in a steel container armoury, it was like an oven! and the Cynergy melted! Hahaha, where the thin sides meet the action. A wooden stock also cracked!
Just for the record Miroku does build the Cynergy but it was designed by Browning who haven't originated an O/U since 1925. The Citori family which includes all the X25 & XS series has not only always been built by Miroku but they designed it too - although they did base the design on the original 1920s Browning Superposed.
As an ex Miroku owner I also believe that they take more trouble with their own branded guns than with the Brownings.
Recently had a go with a 32" Black Ice Cynergy and.... yes.....it was sh*te.
As an ex Miroku owner I also believe that they take more trouble with their own branded guns than with the Brownings.
Recently had a go with a 32" Black Ice Cynergy and.... yes.....it was sh*te.
All of them!!!!! They come in various types and grades, they have different engraving styles/levels, some are fixed choke, some multi, some have adjustable stocks and some don't. There are game models, sporters, trap guns, not sure about skeet but I think some guys use sporters for skeet and I will be corrected if I'm wrong!
I have heard a lot of people say that they believe that Miroku take more trouble with their own guns, but I don't know if it's actually the case though. At the end of the day they would never confess to it.
philpot
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I bought a trap version for my wife last year, wood stock and to be fair she found it to be comfortable to shoot once she switched to 24gms. At 28gms, it was quite lively. I shot it a few times and it certainly broke the clays well just felt strange to shoot. We traded it in for a Miroku which is a far better gun and my wifes scores improved.
The recoil pad does work but it is both too grippy on your clothing and the stock seems to move when you fire because, I assume there is so much soft rubber to twist and flex.
As already said, buy a Miroku/Browning or Beretta, you will always be able to sell them on which is more than you can do with the Cynergy------trust me, the exercise cost me about £250 in the six months we had it.
Phil
The recoil pad does work but it is both too grippy on your clothing and the stock seems to move when you fire because, I assume there is so much soft rubber to twist and flex.
As already said, buy a Miroku/Browning or Beretta, you will always be able to sell them on which is more than you can do with the Cynergy------trust me, the exercise cost me about £250 in the six months we had it.
Phil
A bit of very sound advice my friend! I notice that you shoot a Remy 3200, a rare gun these days, how long have you had it? Is it a trap gun? How old is it?
philpot
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Hi Les
I have both the 30'' and 25'' barrels and I'm not sure what age but she has to be 25ish. That gun has been borrowed by several ISU skeet shooters to have a go with, the sheer grin on their faces says it all. I shoot trap in the main except DT and she shoots really well. I reached a point the other week where I needed to sort a few things out regarding my guns as the remmy is no good for sporting due to the ramped rib and I am not happy with my 682 sporter so I traded the 682 in for a 32'' Miroku gd5 trap with adjustable stock which although it is early days seems to handle the sporting very well and UT extremely well. I don't think I would ever part with the Remmy because I love it but am concerned about spares as and when needed.
I jokingly said to a guy it was for sale, his response was, what are you looking for about £6k, assuming it was a Krieghoff, I just smiled
Phil
Well I'm going to be trying out a few K80's quite soon, I shot a couple back in the 1990's and they didn't really float my boat to be honest! I did shoot a 3200 in the 1980's, I knew a guy who had one and I shot a bit of DTL with it, it did shoot very well even though it had shot a bit loose. As far as I can remember it did not shoot like the K80's that I tried, it seemed to be very easy to shoot and moved effortlessly but quickly and with stability, I shot it quite well with it as it happens. The guy who owned it used it for DTL and ABT, I think he said it was made in the 1970's, it looked very well used and always sounded a bit clanky when it closed. But I reckon it was still a great gun, the owner said he would never sell it, otherwise I may have had it from him myself! Anyway enjoy your 3200, it's real bit of history! :wink:Hi Les
I have both the 30'' and 25'' barrels and I'm not sure what age but she has to be 25ish. That gun has been borrowed by several ISU skeet shooters to have a go with, the sheer grin on their faces says it all. I shoot trap in the main except DT and she shoots really well. I reached a point the other week where I needed to sort a few things out regarding my guns as the remmy is no good for sporting due to the ramped rib and I am not happy with my 682 sporter so I traded the 682 in for a 32'' Miroku gd5 trap with adjustable stock which although it is early days seems to handle the sporting very well and UT extremely well. I don't think I would ever part with the Remmy because I love it but am concerned about spares as and when needed.
I jokingly said to a guy it was for sale, his response was, what are you looking for about £6k, assuming it was a Krieghoff, I just smiled
Phil
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philpot
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Thank you Les. I think most of them are a bit loose and worn so I am lucky to have bought one that is in very good condition and still quite tight--no headaches. Already turned down 3 offers for the gun just can't let it go.
Phil
Phil
Yeh keep hold of it mate. As for spares, I have heard that you can get almost anything for them from the USA. There are also a lot of good gunsmiths in the UK that could probably make most parts for it.
Is your Remington the one that Derek Lee was selling a while back?
If not there is another one in superb condition out there in Lincolnshire.
I know the story about Miroku quality.
If you can ever find one have a look at the Miroku Presidential.
If not there is another one in superb condition out there in Lincolnshire.
I know the story about Miroku quality.
If you can ever find one have a look at the Miroku Presidential.
I remember seeing one of those Presidential guns once, but I think they only made it as a sporter didn't they? Great looking gun though. I will never understand how Miroku make such good quality guns for the money. The only minor problem with any new Miroku that I've ever had has been the trigger pulls. Out of the box they tend to feel rather heavy and not as crisp as I would like, but it's easy and cheap enough for a gunsmith to sort that out. But trigger puls are a very personal thing and many people leave them as they are from the box.
philpot
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It is from Derek Lee but he also had another 3200 but a Premier version which had full engraving with both 30 and 32'' barrels Teagued. This gun was one of only 12 ever made and came complete with a huge range of spare parts. It was priced at £4k and I think it went to USA. A really stunning gun, I was so tempted but sat on the fence too long.
Phil
