Cartridges for a returning shooter.

[kimgary]

Hi All,

I have just come back into shooting after a 10 year break due to illness.

I am on Warfarin medication so the slightest knock results in a bruise, after 50 clays at sporting a couple of weeks ago I was black and blue.

I have read a lot on here and was wondering if going down to a 21g shell for a while would help, cant refind the post on here but one of the major contributors said that comp 21g should break anything?

I realise I would be shooting 25% less lead in the air but if recoil is less of an issue then maybe I would concentrate more on the shooting?

If I rise to a good average then I presume I would have to step back up to 28g, I really enjoyed the sporting but my 1st love years ago was DTL and ABT.

I would also love to get back into rough shooting so would need fibre wads.

Your thoughts and inputs would be most welcome

Kind Regards

Gary.

 

[Les53]

There is nothing to stop you shooting DTL and ABT, or anything else for thast matter, with 21grm loads! OT is limited to max of 24grm, so nothing to stop you using 21grm, the limits are upper limits only!  You will find that some of the better 28grm loads actually shoot softer than some 24grm loads. Just try some different types and makes to see what suits you and your gun the best. Have fun!

PS, try using a very heavy gun with light shells, that will reduce the risk of bruising, you could also fit a recoil reducer too.

 

[RobertBeard]

Hull Comp X are a soft shell!

Also consider getting a better pad on the stock to cushion your shoulder.

 

[Finners]

One of the softest 28g Fibre carts I'm aware of are Eley VIP. Otherwise another vote for the Hull Comp X 21g, the Hulls are pretty cheap too.

 

[kimgary]

Thanks gents, recoil pad ordered :- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ventilated-Butt-Stock-Extension-Recoil-Pad-for-Shotgun-Clay-Pigeon-Field-/251039620343?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item3a73209cf7.

Will give the comp x a try, Robert,would I be best off going straight for the 28g shells if they are soft type ot build up from 21g when my kill rate is higher?

Thanks in advance

Regards

Gary.

 

[perazzi]

Keep an open mind and have a play

cartridge and gun combinations are different depending on a number of variations , there's some very good shells out there 21,24,and 28 gm .find the ones that you have confidence in and your comfortable to use

 

[Nick Selby]

Thanks gents, recoil pad ordered :- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ventilated-Butt-Stock-Extension-Recoil-Pad-for-Shotgun-Clay-Pigeon-Field-/251039620343?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item3a73209cf7.

Will give the comp x a try, Robert,would I be best off going straight for the 28g shells if they are soft type ot build up from 21g when my kill rate is higher?

Thanks in advance

Regards

Gary.

these recoil pads get raved about by a lot of people on here. Thinking of getting one myself as struggling with an old rugby injury. http://www.recoilsystems.com

 

[Paul_B]

Isis xpad and 21g Hull CompX is a good Combination. Give them a go. The 21g are very good, lost targets wont be because of the 7g load difference.

 

[westley]

It is a pity that you jumped in and bought the recoil pad. A phone call to recoil solutions may have paid BIG dividends, when it comes to controlling recoil they are the BEST. On the issue of cartridges, you have not said anything about the weight of your gun or it's fit, both of which can seriously affect recoil. I have used a lot of 21 gram cartridges for Instruction purposes and they are more than capable of killing clays at  great distances, as some beginners have shown me ! Do not forget the 24 gram cartridge either, you have mentioned Trap disciplines and remember some International Trap disciplines are 24 gram maximum.

 

[Hamster]

I agree with Westley, that recoil pad you've ordered is not what some of us would have recommended as the very best. We need to know more about your gun but it does sound like you'd really benefit from a RecoilSystems full Monty including a soft comb or at least a sorbothane sheet on the comb etc, once that lot are coupled to a 8.25 lbs + gun and 21g (or even many a 24g) shells the difference will be like night and day.

 

[Hamster]

PS. I'm not aware that the Recoil Systems reducer is adjustable for compression, some are and will be better suited for the 21g route because if these fail to compress the reducer then they're not working, i.e, if you can get a reducer to compress under the force of a 21g load then it really will feel like you're shooting an air gun.

 

[Skeet UK]

PS. I'm not aware that the Recoil Systems reducer is adjustable for compression, some are and will be better suited for the 21g route because if these fail to compress the reducer then they're not working, i.e, if you can get a reducer to compress under the force of a 21g load then it really will feel like you're shooting an air gun.

Hamster; The Recoil Systems ISIS, is not a spring (as you know).  You can fully compress an ISIS by hand fairly easily...but if you were to hit it with a hammer...it wouldn't.  The Oil Shock absorber in it, is self adjusting to accommodate different loads.  So it doesn't require "X" pounds before it will work.

I should think that the OP would be well advised to consider a full ISIS system, as bruising is never a good thing.

 

[Will Hewland]

The isis system is a spring / damper unit like car suspension. The damper regulates the speed of compression while a set of optional springs help control the amount of compression. As Hamster says, the device needs to compress to take out the load spike, but with the very soft springs it can do this with light loads. Just be careful not to pull the gun tight in to shoulder, or it is all compressed before you fire, negating the reduction effect.

 

[kimgary]

Many thanks for the advice, I did jump in, will look at the Isis system, expensive but if it works well and I enjoy my shooting more then it will be worth it.

Regards

Gary.

 

[Skeet UK]

Many thanks for the advice, I did jump in, will look at the Isis system, expensive but if it works well and I enjoy my shooting more then it will be worth it.

Regards

Gary.

Totally works...frikin' awesome is how I would describe it!

It is also, considerably cheaper than the next option, which is a PFS

 

[PhilS]

Many thanks for the advice, I did jump in, will look at the Isis system, expensive but if it works well and I enjoy my shooting more then it will be worth it.
 
Regards
Gary.


 
 
Totally works...frikin' awesome is how I would describe it!
 
It is also, considerably cheaper than the next option, which is a PFS

Agree with Skeet.

I had the full system fitted just before I had spine surgery and the difference is amazing.

With the system fitted you may well find that you are not restricted to 21gm shells. If you want to stick with 21gm, or in the mean time, Hull CompX 21gm are THE softest cartridge around at the moment. I used the 28 for a while and it felt like I was shooting 21s.

Hope this helps.

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[kimgary]

Once again thank you gents, a phone call to Dave at recoil solutions and i am on the right path, he discussed the options and looks like I will go with his recommendation.

Trying to find a local gun fitting person to get the gun fitted and also do some pattern work, failing that looks like I will have to go up to Malcolm Jenkins near Luton to get a fit and ask him to fit the unit.

If a jobs worth doing its worth doing well, I trust it will be money well spent and allow me to really enjoy shooting again, now just need to find some rough shooting to get out and about walking with a gun, lifes looking good.

Kindest Regards

Gary.

 

[westley]

When you find that rough shooting you might consider a 28 bore O/U. Yildiz make one which is a nice lightweight gun and a pocket full of 28 bores will weigh a lot less than the equivalent in 12 bore. I have used a 20 bore Yildiz for instruction for the last 12 months and at just over 6lbs. it has been a superb little gun and not too expensive either. 

 

[Les53]

Once again thank you gents, a phone call to Dave at recoil solutions and i am on the right path, he discussed the options and looks like I will go with his recommendation.

Trying to find a local gun fitting person to get the gun fitted and also do some pattern work, failing that looks like I will have to go up to Malcolm Jenkins near Luton to get a fit and ask him to fit the unit.

If a jobs worth doing its worth doing well, I trust it will be money well spent and allow me to really enjoy shooting again, now just need to find some rough shooting to get out and about walking with a gun, lifes looking good.

Kindest Regards

Gary.

Tim Greenwood is in Kent, he could fit one of those things for you!