Cartridges for pigeons
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GlenPresley
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Nice bag! 
Hard going today, big OSR stubble fields, had to flag some fields we couldn't shoot for houses, flight lines kept changing, wind was strong and from all the wrong directions, birds were in large groups and as jumpy as hell, most of the birds shot were out past 40yds........it was GREAT!!! Had to shoot some crossers with serious leeeeed......
. :.: Have you managed to find any this week mate? Taking Mrs Fuz over dougs for an afternoon Saturday, dont know if paddy managed to get any wheat cut yet but if not will give the rape another go if he hasnt turned it in yet.
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GlenPresley
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http://www.shootclayforum.com/uploads/monthly_08_2012/post-16-0-16405100-1345320036.jpgWent out today ..... appologies Nicola but I was severly hung over and when I managed to get up I managed to drag my self out and in the hide by 1pm!
Managed 101 which was nice and was a good day!
Best shot of the day was a pigeon which landed on some phone wires in front of me and I shot it sitting on the wires! Paced it out when we packed up and to the wires it was 93 Paces!!! Was stone dead as well!!! Was in hesterics when it happened!
Managed 101 which was nice and was a good day!
Best shot of the day was a pigeon which landed on some phone wires in front of me and I shot it sitting on the wires! Paced it out when we packed up and to the wires it was 93 Paces!!! Was stone dead as well!!! Was in hesterics when it happened!
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webber
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I've shot woodies both decoyed and going to roost for 20 years or so. Goodness only knows how many thousand woodies I've accounted for, I certainly don't.
Time was that I would be out most weekends with a friend on the woodies, we became semi pros, we got our cartridge to kill ratio down to 1.4 to 1 on decoyed woodies. Sadly I now don't get out as much nowadays due to loss of permissions.
Some years ago McF and I experimented with 7.5s on woodies, and gave them up as a bad job. Our lust for a cheaper cartridge was the driving force, and this was in the days when a cartridge cost around 8 pence, and the game dealers paid 10 pence for a fresh woodie.
Killing live quarry is vastly different to breaking a clay. Killing requires penetration, this requires force, force = mass x acceleration. Therefore the larger the pellet the deeper the penetration will be. There are no degrees of dead; but we found that utilising clay cartridges for woodies limited our range to some degree, and the number of follow up shots required to kill injured birds rather than leave the hide and disturb the set up more than absorbed any savings that we made, so they actually cost us more money not less.
For many years I shot Eley HB Pigeon 32gms 6.5s fibre wads. They are a fine cartridge for woodies. For obvious reasons I'm now shooting Fiocchi Pigeon Load; they do what they say on the tin. I can't claim that they are better, they certainly arn't worse. They kill pigeons dead.
When you kill live quarry you have a responsibility to do so humanely. Part of that responsibility lies in the selection of appropriate ammunition, cost should not enter into this equation, remember you are killing, not simply breaking. If you want to leave pigeon untill they have almost landed in a pattern set out so close to the hide that you can almost spit into its centre you will kill pigeon with 7.5; but on days when pigeon don't decoy well, or at all, and you sucumb to the temptation to take a shot at a slightly longer distance don't be surprised when you see clouds of feathers but birds flying on, or birds flapping about on the ground requiring either despatch by a second shot or other means.
I served a proper apprenticeship, I was taught by real craftsmen, they taught me to always use the proper tool for the job; if you don't have one make one! They were wise words. On the odd occasion when I have been tempted to utilise cheap tools or substitute a fit all, there has always been a price to pay, usually requiring a plaster or stitches.
We all like to think that we shoot responsibly, lets make sure that we actually do.
webber
Time was that I would be out most weekends with a friend on the woodies, we became semi pros, we got our cartridge to kill ratio down to 1.4 to 1 on decoyed woodies. Sadly I now don't get out as much nowadays due to loss of permissions.
Some years ago McF and I experimented with 7.5s on woodies, and gave them up as a bad job. Our lust for a cheaper cartridge was the driving force, and this was in the days when a cartridge cost around 8 pence, and the game dealers paid 10 pence for a fresh woodie.
Killing live quarry is vastly different to breaking a clay. Killing requires penetration, this requires force, force = mass x acceleration. Therefore the larger the pellet the deeper the penetration will be. There are no degrees of dead; but we found that utilising clay cartridges for woodies limited our range to some degree, and the number of follow up shots required to kill injured birds rather than leave the hide and disturb the set up more than absorbed any savings that we made, so they actually cost us more money not less.
For many years I shot Eley HB Pigeon 32gms 6.5s fibre wads. They are a fine cartridge for woodies. For obvious reasons I'm now shooting Fiocchi Pigeon Load; they do what they say on the tin. I can't claim that they are better, they certainly arn't worse. They kill pigeons dead.
When you kill live quarry you have a responsibility to do so humanely. Part of that responsibility lies in the selection of appropriate ammunition, cost should not enter into this equation, remember you are killing, not simply breaking. If you want to leave pigeon untill they have almost landed in a pattern set out so close to the hide that you can almost spit into its centre you will kill pigeon with 7.5; but on days when pigeon don't decoy well, or at all, and you sucumb to the temptation to take a shot at a slightly longer distance don't be surprised when you see clouds of feathers but birds flying on, or birds flapping about on the ground requiring either despatch by a second shot or other means.
I served a proper apprenticeship, I was taught by real craftsmen, they taught me to always use the proper tool for the job; if you don't have one make one! They were wise words. On the odd occasion when I have been tempted to utilise cheap tools or substitute a fit all, there has always been a price to pay, usually requiring a plaster or stitches.
We all like to think that we shoot responsibly, lets make sure that we actually do.
webber
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I shot 7.5s in various brands at pigeons for years and found there pattern throught a tight choke to be better than the bigger pellet cartridges .
salop sniper
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Always been a 30g 6 shot myself ! Normally Gamebore clear pigeon £197 per thousand. Always fibre wad too !
Although am sure gambore clear pigeon now also come in 32g 6`s, may give them a try but am in no rush as very few pigeon about and also the 30gram 6`s do just fine and crows dont like them much either !
Although am sure gambore clear pigeon now also come in 32g 6`s, may give them a try but am in no rush as very few pigeon about and also the 30gram 6`s do just fine and crows dont like them much either !
EdSolomons
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Never had a problem using clay shells myself, and I'm not well known for shooting close ones!
MARK-POACHER
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dont know you ed but agree im known for killing pigeons well out past decoys etc and with kent 71/2 28gram clay cartridge !! and over decoys 24 gram all day long!!
MARK-POACHER
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shot alot off pigeons with 28g 19grams !!! put it in the right place and it kills just like my 12g !!!! most off my game shooting is with 28g kill or miss ! great on partridge days..
