Choke

[jwpzx9r]

OK then a while since the old choke debate was aired but here I go.

My question is this has the development of cartridges to an extent negated the effect of choke in it conventional sense? The reason I ask is I was shooting UT the other weekend and had the great fortune to shoot a really nice Perazzi MX2000. The reason I tried it in the first place was because the stock was same length that I was thinking of having my one reduced to. Anyway I shot five targets and totally vaporised them all with the first barrel not just a great break I really mean they just disappeared. I was very impressed because the targets were not easy and I had never used the gun before I just shot it as I would my own and well what a result... I would have happily taken that gun home. Anyway taking with the owner after shooting it I asked about the cartridges he used and the chokes. He said he used a Mary arm cartridge that is very popular down here because the give a more open pattern and the gun was choked at 1/4 in the first barrel !! I use Clever T2 and he commented that that was the reason for the targets being hammered even with 1/4 choke. His opinion is that newer trap cartridges like Clever are manufactured to give a very tight pattern and even through a 1/4 they still give a very tight pattern way tighter than would be back in the day, paid me a complement said that I was bang centre pattern. So what do the shooters on here think have cartridges over taken the convectional idea of choke? Are we shooting guns that are chokes too tightly for what a modern cartridge does?

 

[FreeShot]

Not necessary - 28g, #8 (EU) Clever T2 Competition, from my MK 70, through Teague 3/8 Extended Inv +, behaves like a spreader - beautiful broad even pattern at 20m, useless at 40m - I don't have a picture of the target at hand atm but will look if I can find it and post it lately. 

 

[Les53]

Ah.....a new choke thread!!! Well what can I say? Yes you can indeed shoot some fast trap targets with modern ammo and open chokes, I tried 28grm FBlacks through 1/4 choke, taken early you can get vapour!!! The problem arises though, when you shoot a little late, and not all shells will give a tight enough pattern for such kills.Like a good few trap shooters I still use tight chokes......just in case! My current gun is allegedly 3/4 in the bottom, however I suspect that it is somewhat tighter because even if I get onto a target late and it's a long way out, it can still end up as vapour! 

 

[MJJ]

I dare say the thickness of the plastic cup may have a bearing on pattern density at a given range

 

[Les53]

I dare say the thickness of the plastic cup may have a bearing on pattern density at a given range

Here we go!!!........And they're off.......................... :hyper:

 

[Mutley]

Could try Cheddite free shot through a tight choked gun, as they have no shot cup just a compression base.......

Just saying :angel:

 

[Sian]

Who needs chokes when you can use these bad boys - never miss 

 

[FreeShot]

Here is a pic

 

[Hamster]

There is no evidence that modern cartridges are making 1/4 choke behave like 3/4 or Full. It's the percentage at 40 yards inside a 30" circle that determines the performance of a given choke/cartridge, smoking a target at relatively short range simply means you shot quick and were ON it. 

Whenever someone bothers to actually pattern test a load or choke in magazines, they look broadly similar to what they did 30 years ago and I've yet to see an open choke produce real 70% patterns, if it does then the first thing to investigate is the actual constriction (relative to bore diameter.) 

 

[Doctor Lecter]

I shot orston  today 50 esp   I shoot fixed chokes 3/4 full     I didn't feel over choked   good kills the ones I hit !      39/50    pilot error 11 times 

 

[Simonix]

Who needs chokes when you can use these bad boys - never miss 

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What are these?! :-0

 

[westley]

Here we go!!!........And they're off.......................... :hyper:

As the Parrot said when it sat on the circular saw !

 

[westley]

What are these?! :-0

Well, they are designed for use when the atmospheric pressure gets that low that a standard length cartridge no longer produces a decent pattern. Problem is they have a down side, they often make the user think they are firing blanks which causes a miss. This is coupled with an instant ear infection which, in turn, causes the shooters head to shake from side to side, this sometimes goes on for shot after shot, stand after stand. To avoid any of these problems, just stick with your usual catridge/choke combination and leave these specialist cartridges to us oldies, who are probably more used to firing blanks in the first place !

 

[chippy]

Who needs chokes when you can use these bad boys - never miss 

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i bet they kick.

 

[Les53]

Well, they are designed for use when the atmospheric pressure gets that low that a standard length cartridge no longer produces a decent pattern. Problem is they have a down side, they often make the user think they are firing blanks which causes a miss. This is coupled with an instant ear infection which, in turn, causes the shooters head to shake from side to side, this sometimes goes on for shot after shot, stand after stand. To avoid any of these problems, just stick with your usual catridge/choke combination and leave these specialist cartridges to us oldies, who are probably more used to firing blanks in the first place !

ok.....how close to the truth do you intend to go Wes?

 

[MJJ]

They look like them new 'Jaffa' cartridges, a bit the the 'Jocker' ones but not so much shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Wonko the Sane]

the solution to the OT shootoff problem.  Each cart contains only six #8 shot.  The first shooter to hit a target gets the gold, etc

 

[Jim Wheeler]

been shooting blanks for donkey`s year`s,,,,,

 

[westley]

ok.....how close to the truth do you intend to go Wes?

Very close actually Les, they do indeed look very much like the 12 bore 'blanks' designed for use in the Gamekeeper alarm guns.

They look like them new 'Jaffa' cartridges, a bit the the 'Jocker' ones but not so much shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Their performance probably pips the 'Jockers' too !