Clays off the same arm rip off!

[Hamster]

Something CleverSC3 brought up on another thread has had me thinking lately about how a certain trend seems to be on the increase, namely that of grounds throwing 8-10 single birds off the same arm for a stand. Now this is all very well once in a while or maybe even on ONE stand over a course but I have shot grounds recently where no fewer than 3, sometimes 4 featured this :frown: .

Sure we can all understand the economics of the game, a trap can cost upwards of £600, but charging say £35+ is kind of taking the mickey I think. Today I shot a 100 proper birds at Greenfelds of Canterbury, I cannot ever remember them throwing singles, just excellent birds in well kept grounds, cabin lodge, bar, restaurant, gunroom, hard ground car park with over flow facility, you name it and it cost nowhere near even £35 even for non members and they pay out in 4 classes.

So are we being just a tad taken for a ride? In case there are some ground owners guilty of this sort of thing reading this, let us know your rationale please, perhaps there are issues I'm not appreciating?

 

[ExSCA]

Hamster - I like your posts, but this is silly - if you don't like it, don't go, that'll learn them.

 

[Fuzrat]

As you suggest, nothing wrong with the occasional Raff pair. Cant say I have seen any of this around the grounds I have shot locally to me. Only one I have seen is the ground you probably have in the forefront of your mind, Caterham. didnt much like it so probably wont be back, its a bloody long drive anyway!

 

[GlenPresley]

Something CleverSC3 brought up on another thread has had me thinking lately about how a certain trend seems to be on the increase, namely that of grounds throwing 8-10 single birds off the same arm for a stand. Now this is all very well once in a while or maybe even on ONE stand over a course but I have shot grounds recently where no fewer than 3, sometimes 4 featured this :frown: .

Sure we can all understand the economics of the game, a trap can cost upwards of £600, but charging say £35+ is kind of taking the mickey I think. Today I shot a 100 proper birds at Greenfelds of Canterbury, I cannot ever remember them throwing singles, just excellent birds in well kept grounds, cabin lodge, bar, restaurant, gunroom, hard ground car park with over flow facility, you name it and it cost nowhere near even £35 even for non members and they pay out in 4 classes.

So are we being just a tad taken for a ride? In case there are some ground owners guilty of this sort of thing reading this, let us know your rationale please, perhaps there are issues I'm not appreciating?

Been going on for years! Just like those grounds who can't be arsed to put on more than 10 stands so you get 5pairs on each! ;-)

You get to learn which ones and then you just have to decide to stay away!

Glen.

 

[Jeremy Baker]

We don't even do that at my Sunday club?

Only shoot fifty mind you.

Always put ten traps out.

 

[Hamster]

Hamster - I like your posts, but this is silly - if you don't like it, don't go, that'll learn them.

I wish it were that simple Matt, living by the sea means a great deal of travel even to reach these very same hallowed grounds so me have no choice. Luckily Greenfields is within cycling distance, Abbey is OK mostly, JJ's can be one arm turf but the people are so nice plus it's cheap and cheerful and a good place to win a few shells at so no real gripes, Keston, Caterham and Horne can test the old patience a bit but Hornet / Southdown / one offs are just too far away for regular jaunts.

 

[Fuzrat]

Move to Oxfordshire fella, Plenty of quality within an hour round here :.: simples

 

[ExSCA]

I do feel your pain Hamster (although I can't imagine you cycling down with your terminator gun over your back and a 125 shells on the crossie), but the only way these grounds are going to learn is by people not going. I am definitely going to try and give those grounds that do things like that a swerve in future.

 

[Fuzrat]

Just thinking back to the time we shot with you at caterham, that raff pair of incommers was just a total waste of shells, 25yrd dinner plates hanging there saying shoot me then to the other extreme of a raff pair of 80 yrd teal! 10x10 and 0x8 for me :huh:

If you are going to throw them off the same arm, make it something the top boys may drop 1 from being complacent, B class miss a couple and C can go 6 or 7

 

[Gnasher]

Caterham had 3 stands today of following pairs. As they were in the first 5 stands I was beginning to wonder if they'd had half their traps stolen! However, I usually quite like their mix of targets and normally shoot my average. Stand 1 nearly always defeats me but it's the only place locally where you get to shoot down into a valley. It's good to practice that type of presentation because you don't often see it.

 

[GlenPresley]

I wish it were that simple Matt, living by the sea means a great deal of travel even to reach these very same hallowed grounds so me have no choice. Luckily Greenfields is within cycling distance, Abbey is OK mostly, JJ's can be one arm turf but the people are so nice plus it's cheap and cheerful and a good place to win a few shells at so no real gripes, Keston, Caterham and Horne can test the old patience a bit but Hornet / Southdown / one offs are just too far away for regular jaunts.

Sounds like your only singing when your winning!!! ;-)

 

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Oh you have done it now Glen (smileswhilstsippingcoffeeinbed)

Matt........quite right silly topic.......this sort of post bores people off the site.

I can safely say that even when I look in I mark most posts as read because they do not interest me.

People ..............posters need to be able to have a free view on a forum without getting ganged up on or have tantrums. Why do you think that several people have stopped posting? It is tiresome.

I have not posted for ages......and get 'the treatment' as soon as I come back on, which I found amusing.

Lots of people back slap on here for the slightest little thing and yet when a great feat is achieved like Gwyns pigeon, hardly anyone says anything until I pointed out how people had been silent.

What has happened to the congratulations of GBR medals won abroad? Have any on here realised how many World and European Champions GBR won in 2 weeks in Italy last month?

This website used to blog the big events now it does not even congratulate those who fight for GBR abroad!

It's is alright.......don't worry.....I am getting my coat.

(p.s. I do not know J French but I think that was the classic gang up.......everyone got out of their boxes and emotional......yet he only asked a few questions........he did nothing more..........OK he could have asked 4c's direct........but he did not kill anyone........chill out people.........or this will end up like Pigeon Watch).

 

[GlenPresley]

Only saying what it looks like!

Singing when you winning, personal choice dont go somewhere that gets on your nerves at the end of the day but you have to learn the hard way first.

As for the Four Counties post I had prize money there from New Years Day and I sent them an email after looking on the site and Sue kindly said she would pass it on to a few names I gave her who could go in the coming weeks or months! Was easy for me but then I am a popular guy and have many servants all over the United Kingdom and Europe ready to pick up my winnings for me! ;-) .!!!!

J French only asked a question after all this is a forum of discussion I thought about shooting related topics? Then again a lot on hear have good ties with 4 C's so he got shot down in flames.

Now all is left is a locked thread and Mr French ordered to phone the ground..........(which I would have done in the first place may I add, I always go direct!)

Let us know if you get your cash!

Glen.

 

[Hamster]

Oh you have done it now Glen (smileswhilstsippingcoffeeinbed)

Matt........quite right silly topic.......this sort of post bores people off the site.

I can safely say that even when I look in I mark most posts as read because they do not interest me.

People ..............posters need to be able to have a free view on a forum without getting ganged up on or have tantrums. Why do you think that several people have stopped posting? It is tiresome.

I have not posted for ages......and get 'the treatment' as soon as I come back on, which I found amusing.

Lots of people back slap on here for the slightest little thing and yet when a great feat is achieved like Gwyns pigeon, hardly anyone says anything until I pointed out how people had been silent.

What has happened to the congratulations of GBR medals won abroad? Have any on here realised how many World and European Champions GBR won in 2 weeks in Italy last month?

This website used to blog the big events now it does not even congratulate those who fight for GBR abroad!

It's is alright.......don't worry.....I am getting my coat.

(p.s. I do not know J French but I think that was the classic gang up.......everyone got out of their boxes and emotional......yet he only asked a few questions........he did nothing more..........OK he could have asked 4c's direct........but he did not kill anyone........chill out people.........or this will end up like Pigeon Watch).

Nicola,

You're probably not aware of your less than civil, almost definitely deliberately abrasive style of engaging in discussions. This is a classic case in point, your response has absolutely nothing useful to add, by your admission it just doesn't interest you, yet you feel it's OK to derail it for your own amusement. I have no idea what the the J French thread is all about, it clearly held no interest for me so I appear to have done the decent thing and avoided it, why bring these into this particular thread?

 

[Hamster]

Sounds like your only singing when your winning!!! ;-)

Sorry Glen but I don't quite get your point?! I have stated there is precious little choice in my particular case, it appears the rest of you aren't as restricted in your choice of grounds. I had criticised certain ground even when I'd shot well :mellow: , the odd thing is that this sort of target setting doesn't appear to bother most as the car parks always appear full, I was just interested to see how others felt.

 

[Will Hewland]

In reality, people will shoot at the nearest grounds within reason, inevitably. I am fairly lucky and can get to about 8 reg shoots within 75 mins drive. Hammy lives in a much less advantageous spot for shooting. Nothing wrong with wanting your (few) local-ish shoots to be the best they can.

As discussed (and I was chatting to a shooter yesterday who was at Caterham for the first time about this), it is a great ground, but is `insular` in its target setting. Nice family run concern; but I am pretty sure they dont get out and shoot other CPSA grounds. I would love Steve Lovatt or Joe Wade to run it..

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[chubby]

The reason people shoot these grounds (I feel) they are not hard so lower class shots like me feel better when the hit a few, they are local, we are not all in it for the winnings just for fun.People go to these shoots with their mates for a bit of fun on a Sunday surely that's how we all started :smile:

Oh and don't forget YOU STILL HAVE TO HIT THEM

 

[timps]

I normally don’t like this type of target at all but have been lucky that its only ever been one stand on the grounds I frequent.

I did, however, change my opinion on this type of target after shooting Grimsthorpe England selection shoot yesterday. The target in question was a following pair (only 3 pairs) which if I shot the first clay in my ideal position I mucked up the 2nd and shooting the first early did not bode well for me making it a very interesting presentation.

I have, however, shot 10 pairs from the same trap which due to the trap set up made it the same as shooting on report and lost the will to live, it did ruin what I considered to be a good course and I was not the only one in my squad to feel this way.

I think it is one target presentation that requires a lot of thought to be done properly otherwise it bores me or infuriates me (read one silly hard target 10 times).

 

[Will Hewland]

The reason people shoot these grounds (I feel) they are not hard so lower class shots like me feel better when the hit a few, they are local, we are not all in it for the winnings just for fun.People go to these shoots with their mates for a bit of fun on a Sunday surely that's how we all started :smile:

Oh and don't forget YOU STILL HAVE TO HIT THEM

I think the matter of whether the single trap stand is 'easy' or 'hard' is a seperate thing. More the point is that as ESP shooters we like variety. Endless variety. Thats why most of us just dont understand the appeal of trap shooting. We want to see as many different target presentations as possible. In fact, that is what will catch the Newbies out; variety. Learning to shoot all possible angles, curves and distances is what ESP success (and enjoyment) is all about.

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