Clever Mirage Special Offer @ Norgas Cartridge Co.

[webber]

SPECIAL OFFER

Available whilst promotional items last.

Buy 1500 Clever Mirage cartridges, any mix by the slab quantity and receive a Mirage shooting cap FREE!

Buy 3,000 Clever Mirage cartridges, any mix by the slab quantity and receive a Clever cartridge carrying case and a Mirage cap FREE!

This offer is only available at Norgas Cartridge Co.

Prices are available on our website.   http://www.norgascartridges.co.uk

Pictures of cap and case to follow later.

webber

 

[Will Hewland]

Or.. Rather than give away some items that Clever give you FOC, your special offer could just be to reduce your prices down to the normal RRP that you can buy them from elsewhere..

 

[Shaun Hopkins]

Or.. Rather than give away some items that Clever give you FOC, your special offer could just be to reduce your prices down to the normal RRP that you can buy them from elsewhere..

Ouch!!! :spiteful:

 

[wylye]

Got out of bed the wrong side I reckon.

 

[HDAV]

normal RRP that you can buy them from elsewhere..

I thought RRP had been banned by the eu as being anti competitive

 

[Will Hewland]

Got out of bed the wrong side I reckon.

No, just the side of the bed that has financial sanity.. By RRP (admittedly I didn't really mean that) I meant the Continental shooting supplies website prices, which I assume is up to date (it always was when I used to use them).

 

[webber]

There is no Recommended Retail Price for cartridges.

Retail price maintenance was made illegal several years ago.

Availability and service has a price.

HW is never likely to be a Norgas customer as Berkshire is seriously off our free delivery route.

All of the promotional caps have been purchased by Norgas and uniquely bespoke embroidered.  They are unique to Norgas.

A few cases were made available by the UK importer for the purpose of an introductory promotional offer, which is what they are being used for.

I have identical cases in the shop for sale but without the Clever logo.

The caps are also available for purchase.

Some people simply wouldn't know a gift horse if it bit them on the bum.

Clever in my area is a niche brand with a small but steadily growing following.  If I can do the same for Clever that I did for Fiocchi in the area shooters, Clever and Norgas will all be happy.

I've already had customers travel from North Yorkshire, North Wales, Cheshire and Derbyshire to collect Clever Mirage cartridges, some have returned with friends to purchase more and order specific loads that I didn't have in stock, but soon shall have.

webber

 

[jwpzx9r]

You have to ask yourself the question if you lived within 50 miles or so of Webber and wanted Clever cartridges where would you go......? Naturally you would go to him or perhaps pay NASG £27 of your hard earned to have them delivered.... Oh wait he does free del to certain areas too even better! If you are anywhere near him you are better off buying from him at £197 per thou than NASG at £188 + £27 del. Well done Webber! What next a business man trying to make some sort of profit by charging a decent local price what next!

PS I can get the same cartridges here in France for about £160 del to my door free within 48hrs and anywhere in France for that matter Britain is being ripped off again .... but not by Webber!

 

[Will Hewland]

I'm selling bacon sandwiches tomorrow. They are £40, because that's what they would cost if you wanted one delivering to Lancashire. Seems fair.

Webber, good luck. If you are selling, then you know your clients and your business model is correct.

 

[jwpzx9r]

I'm selling bacon sandwiches tomorrow. They are £40, because that's what they would cost if you wanted one delivering to Lancashire. Seems fair.

Webber, good luck. If you are selling, then you know your clients and your business model is correct.

Yes but they might be a lot of shoite! The cartridges you can buy from Webber will be made by Clever not some tw*t fannying aroundin their kitchen pretending to be some thing. Give up tosser the man is offering a service if you don't want to use it DON'T!

 

[Will Hewland]

Yes but they might be a lot of shoite! The cartridges you can buy from Webber will be made by Clever not some tw*t fannying aroundin their kitchen pretending to be some thing. Give up tosser the man is offering a service if you don't want to use it DON'T!

Yes made by CLEVER. So no added value or anything else from a retailer. (That's any retailer, not a comment on Webber).
I likely won't use the service, as I can obtain the cartridges cheaper by various alternate means, which was the whole point of my original post. And I do admire your bravado of calling me a tosser from 800 miles, one channel and a keyboard away..

 

[webber]

Yes made by CLEVER. So no added value or anything else from a retailer. (That's any retailer, not a comment on Webber).

I likely won't use the service, as I can obtain the cartridges cheaper by various alternate means, which was the whole point of my original post. And I do admire your bravado of calling me a tosser from 800 miles, one channel and a keyboard away..

Sometimes the obvious just needs to be stated.

When people jump to conclusions and then go live on a forum some derogatory comment should be expected from those who can see the picture clearly without bias towards those whom presume.

webber

 

[jwpzx9r]

Yes made by CLEVER. So no added value or anything else from a retailer. (That's any retailer, not a comment on Webber).

I likely won't use the service, as I can obtain the cartridges cheaper by various alternate means, which was the whole point of my original post. And I do admire your bravado of calling me a tosser from 800 miles, one channel and a keyboard away..

Sorry Clever you absolutely correct I should not have been so blunt please accept apologies for that.

What I am saying though, Webber is providing a product that is not ubiquitous across the UK and although the cost to you may be unrealistic the cost to others will most probably be very attractive. For example someone who lives within his carriage free zone, the extent of which I have no idea but if the alterative is NASG they will save on their purchase.

I have a similar situation here in France. I can buy cartridges but have to drive a round trip of 80km together with the time that takes. On the other hand I can pay an extra €10 per thousand and get them from a supplier who will delivered free within 48hrs... no brainer. Its a service which will be good for some and not for others.

 

[Will Hewland]

I just feel delivery cost is a side issue. We all makes choices of cartridge based heavily on availability (geographical practicality). But the base price is what it is. You cant assume to factor in a premium because the brand is not available nearby, but must look at it like for like. Let's say I did want to order some Clever. NORGAS and NASG are both too far from me so I would have to pay delivery to either. On that even playing field, NORGAS are crazy expensive by comparison.

As I say, one looks at the realistic deal in ones area. That's why I abandoned Clever and went looking around for other brands that I could collect locally. I suspect that people in the NORGAS area will look around at other brand options and the Clever are less appealing than they might be at his inflated prices. I'm sure he will sell some, but I GUARANTEE he would sell more at the normal prices. Maybe not enough more to make more profit on the brand. (Half the profit will require double the amount sold) He will only find out by trying it. The value of free goodies is speculative, but that won't work on a long term basis for repeat order clients of course.

@ Webber: I don't feel I was derogatory (maybe sarcastic..). I was/ am stating that your prices are high compared to NASG. They are. No dispute there I take it? Remember that this is a forum. You chose to use it as a free advert medium, which is fine (by Matt), but unlike a magazine ad, you are open to comments on here. That's the deal.

Think I'm done now..

 

[webber]

Will

You were done when you made assumptions and failed to make a satisfactory retraction.

I'm very well aware as to the workings of internet forums.  I'm a founder member of Pigeon Watch which is the largest UK forum for shooters by a massive margin.

Thanks to you this thread has had a far greater viewing than it probably ever would have; I posted for information only.

Next time you have a pop at someone please be sure to get all of your quoted facts or opinions correct.  It's not nice to be berated on a forum.

I've no connection with jwpzx9r at all.  I'm glad that he saw through your remarks as I'm sure many other forum members did but couldn't be bothered to contribute to the thread as all they want to do is shoot!

NASG are the UK importers they have a margin to work with.  I buy from them and apply a minimum margin calculation, if the product won't stand it, it doesn't get stocked.  If it doesn't turn around in a sensible time it doesn't get replaced, that's business.  

Money costs money.

Space costs money.

Insurance costs money.

Handling the slabs, raising an invoice accepting cards all costs money.

My Clever customers are increasing slowly but steadily, some get a discount if they buy 3,000 or more, they are happy to be able to obtain the cartridges and avoid the carriage charges.

webber

 

[jwpzx9r]

Just one point about Clever cartridges that I would like to know the answer to... why are they so expensive in the UK ? Don't even mention transport as they are as heap in the US as they are here in France, Spain etc. Are the cartridge manufacturers ... or, more probably, the suppliers running some sort of cartel? The difference in price is alarming for example I can get 1000 T2 delivered to my door for £156 the UK supplier is charging £188 plus £27 for del. To be fair its not just Clever just cartridges want £165 plus £15 del for 1000 Rio target load I can but them here for £125 per 1000. Good news for me but I can't help feel that there is something very wrong about cartridge pricing in the UK.

 

[Mike]

Just one point about Clever cartridges that I would like to know the answer to... why are they so expensive in the UK ? Don't even mention transport as they are as heap in the US as they are here in France, Spain etc. Are the cartridge manufacturers ... or, more probably, the suppliers running some sort of cartel? The difference in price is alarming for example I can get 1000 T2 delivered to my door for £156 the UK supplier is charging £188 plus £27 for del. To be fair its not just Clever just cartridges want £165 plus £15 del for 1000 Rio target load I can but them here for £125 per 1000. Good news for me but I can't help feel that there is something very wrong about cartridge pricing in the UK.

 Do you pay 20% VAT in France?

 

[RobertBeard]

America is obviously a huge market and quantity discount will apply.

Currency exchange risk will also be a factor.

French VAT rates went up on 1st January 2014 and are as follows:-

Almost all rates will change

• The intermediate rate of 7% goes up to 10%.
• The standard rate of 19.6% rises to 20%.
• The reduced rate of 5.5% changes to 5% (see summary on the Service Public.fr website).
• The reduced rate of 2.1% (for certain products and services) stays the same.

 

[HDAV]

Its not called rip off britain for nothing!