CPSA O.T. and D.T. Have a go days

[Hotshot100]

Just spotted these posts by News Monkey. Brilliant idea I thought so had a bit more of a look in to it. All seemed O.K. until I got to the one being held at Bisley where the instructor is John Offord.

Had a look to see how good a shot he is and lo and behold he doesn't appear to shoot O.T. and is only a very mediocre shot at the domestic trap disciplines.

He is in fact a 'D' class shot and obviously hasn't shot the discipline recently as there are no scores for O.T. showing in his list of classifications.

With little or no practical experience of the discipline is he the right person to be instructing beginners?

 

[ips]

I dont know the bloke but one doesnt have to be good at something to be able to teach it. Some of the best coaches in many sports are cack. If you can do, if you cant teach ! And remember many international shooters have very few Cpsa reg scores.

 

[Hotshot100]

I dont know the bloke but one doesnt have to be good at something to be able to teach it. Some of the best coaches in many sports are cack. If you can do, if you cant teach ! And remember many international shooters have very few Cpsa reg scores.

Quite so, but from what I've heard in this instance this is not the case.In fact he doesn't appear to hold any instructor or coaching qualifications at all.

 

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None of those mentioned are top OT coaches.

Ian is DTR coach but I am convinced he will be easily able to deal with whoever turns up.

John is I think a level 1 coach Cpsa and a director and seriously doubt his OT coaching skills, but would be ok for general trap info.

Christian is level 2 Cpsa coach and Issf and is extremely dedicated to OT - he is the BICTSF director rep for OT. Although he is not really an active competitor he has a great take on OT.

As these people will all be beginners at OT I am sure they will all learn a lot of helpful trap info on the day.

As for serious OT coaching then the serious go to Claudio (A1) or Martin (Nutty).......or later in May David K who will be back in theUK.

 

[Hotshot100]

None of those mentioned are top OT coaches.

Ian is DTR coach but I am convinced he will be easily able to deal with whoever turns up.

John is I think a level 1 coach Cpsa and a director and seriously doubt his OT coaching skills, but would be ok for general trap info.

Christian is level 2 Cpsa coach and Issf and is extremely dedicated to OT - he is the BICTSF director rep for OT. Although he is not really an active competitor he has a great take on OT.

As these people will all be beginners at OT I am sure they will all learn a lot of helpful trap info on the day.

As for serious OT coaching then the serious go to Claudio (A1) or Martin (Nutty).......or later in May David K who will be back in theUK.

Point taken. I think that as I have already shot a bit of O.T. then these days are not for me but would benefit some one who hasn't shot the discipline at all. Thinking about it what I was really hoping to see was D.T. at Bisley as this is something that I have never shot and would have definitely been interested in.

Couldn't find any qualifications for J.O. on the CPSA website hence my comments.

It does actually state that you will receive 'expert coaching' .

 

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Everyone is an expert when CPSA is promoting something. :smile:  I am sure that JO will be expert enough to help beginners.

So long as it gets more people into the sport......and into the trap disciplines...it has to be a good thing. People as they learn and get better usually can see who can help them and who has reached the end of the 'usefulness road'.

 

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Hotshot...it might be that JO is an APSI or BASC coach. I have no idea i am afraid. It seems that he does not figure on the CPSA coach or instructor list....but then neither does Ian.

However I know Christian is because he qualified as Level 2 at the same time with me in 2007.

I do not think it makes too much difference though....so long as the beginner enjoys the experience.

 

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Update .....

Shooting UT with Mr Coley today.... He has put in 21 and a very nice 24 and a 22....now waiting for last squad. Beginners will be lucky to get Ian.

 

[40UP]

I have seen Ian Coley shoot 50 straight OT. John Offord is the current England OT manager and OT discipline rep to the BICTSF along with Christian Schofield. Remember there is an element of talent spotting here. It is how Peter Wilson started 8 years ago.

 

[Julesy]

This thread is a great example of this forum at its best, really positive comments about getting people in to new disciplines.

Hotshot - I hope you find a good DT day

 

[Hotshot100]

This thread is a great example of this forum at its best, really positive comments about getting people in to new disciplines.

Hotshot - I hope you find a good DT day

Thanks Julesy, I'm going to treat myself to a lesson in O.T. As I've shot it before but not very well I think this will be beneficial, the ground also has D.T. so will give that a go at the same time.

Now all I need is a decent trap ground that isn't over 100 miles from home. :spiteful: :spiteful: That won't be so easy!!

 

[Les53]

Thanks Julesy, I'm going to treat myself to a lesson in O.T. As I've shot it before but not very well I think this will be beneficial, the ground also has D.T. so will give that a go at the same time.

Now all I need is a decent trap ground that isn't over 100 miles from home. :spiteful: :spiteful: That won't be so easy!!

Roger, I don't know how far down into Kent you are, but if you want really good OT coaching, then I would do as Nic said, go and see Claudio, he really knows his OT. He's only just off the M25 by about two minutes, other than that, from my piont of view it's worth a fair trip up to see Peter Croft, I had OT tuition from him at Garlands many years ago, but I'm not sure if he still goes there or not.

 

[Hotshot100]

Roger, I don't know how far down into Kent you are, but if you want really good OT coaching, then I would do as Nic said, go and see Claudio, he really knows his OT. He's only just off the M25 by about two minutes, other than that, from my piont of view it's worth a fair trip up to see Peter Croft, I had OT tuition from him at Garlands many years ago, but I'm not sure if he still goes there or not.

I've got a lesson booked at Nuthampstead tomorrow with Martin Barker. It's a 100 miles each way but will hopefully be worth it.

 

[Les53]

I've got a lesson booked at Nuthampstead tomorrow with Martin Barker. It's a 100 miles each way but will hopefully be worth it.

Good luck Roger, hope you have a great day mate!

 

[Salopian]

If anyone or two would like a lesson with Peter Croft, I am sure I could get him to stop smoking for a minute or two.

If there is enough interest I will arrange a day.

 

[Hotshot100]

Well just got back from my day at Nuthampstead and all I can say is marvelous. Martin started off by looking at my stance etc. and immediately picked up a couple of small faults that once rectified will improve my shooting in all disciplines. He then told me how to call for a target so as not to 'jump it' which is apparently very easily down at this ground as they are very fast off the trap.

I then went on to shoot about 50 targets until I managed to hit every different target at least once. Then I had a break and went for one of their all day breakfasts which was great, whilst I was eating it I got chatting to several of the regulars who all made me very welcome.

Then back out on a full squad where I shot 14 which wasn't far behind the regulars that I shot with and was a personal best.

Then shot a round of DTL before going back for a final round of OT before departing for home. Surprisingly enough I managed a 17 which I was well pleased with.

All in all a very worthwhile and enjoyable day made all the better by Martin and Nicky plus all the regulars.

Looking forward to going back again. Just shows the benefits of going to a good coach!!

 

[Les53]

Glad you had a good day Roger! 17 at OT is good for someone not used to it mate! In fact I have had days when I've walked away with 12 and I've been shooting OT for about 14 years! OT is one of those disciplines that jumps up and bites you in the arse just when you think you've cracked it! I remember one day at NCSC, I'd shot a 23 and a 24 and I was very happy with that, I then went on to hit a 14 and then a 12. Nothing had changed, same layout, same gun, same shells, same wind, same light and most importantly the same incompetent idiot standing behind the gun! :banghead:

 

[psych4shooting]

I have seen Ian Coley shoot 50 straight OT. John Offord is the current England OT manager and OT discipline rep to the BICTSF along with Christian Schofield. Remember there is an element of talent spotting here. It is how Peter Wilson started 8 years ago.

Just to add - Ian shot Olympic Trap for Great Britain and was made OT Coach for Team GB in 1992 at the Barcelona Olympics. Ian has shot for GB on over 70 occassions in OT, so probably knows a little bit of how to shoot it.. And of course for DT, no further comment is needed. The CPSA days are aimed to get people to try it out and take it from there.

 

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We have already done the support of your dad bit Phil....see above... :smile: we are on the ball here..!!

.....true story :smile: