Double trap virgin

[ips]

I might give this DT a go this weekend just for fun, I have shot quite a lot of double rise but never DT so any tips on the best way to shoot it would be very welcome.

PS - I will probably use the std DT10 as its a bit higher in the comb.

PPS - paul120, see pm

 

[Les53]

I might give this DT a go this weekend just for fun, I have shot quite a lot of double rise but never DT so any tips on the best way to shoot it would be very welcome.

PS - I will probably use the std DT10 as its a bit higher in the comb.

PPS - paul120, see pm

Don't forget to tape a ladder onto the rib Ian!!! :haha:

 

[ips]

Ha, just watching some DT on issf, trying to work out the technique, they seem to take them very very fast. Doesn't seem to be any ambush of 1st target and gun mount seems to be a little lower than I thought. looks fun. I used to like DR.

 

[Les53]

Ha, just watching some DT on issf, trying to work out the technique, they seem to take them very very fast. Doesn't seem to be any ambush of 1st target and gun mount seems to be a little lower than I thought. looks fun. I used to like DR.

You may even like it, let me know how you get on with it mate!

 

[ips]

Only a "might" at this stage but if I go I will post a full report.

PS

Just thought it might be a fun shoot with no pressure and the weather doesn't look good so we don't want to be risking anything were bothered about.

 

[Les53]

Only a "might" at this stage but if I go I will post a full report.

PS

Just thought it might be a fun shoot with no pressure and the weather doesn't look good so we don't want to be risking anything were bothered about.

Just checked the weather down here for the weekend and looks like more rain and more gales!!!! Looks like the pub will be doing well again!!!

 

[ips]

I am hoping someone like jake will be along soon to clarify but so far it seems to me that they must be looking through the barrel as I don't think there is any way you could take the 1st shot that quick unless you were. 1st target appears to be "semi" ambushed but I am not sure how the schemes work ie do you know what target is coming. Also I assume this a 28g job as it doesn't look like there shooting 24s ?

 

[Dog Tyred]

I am hoping someone like jake will be along soon to clarify but so far it seems to me that they must be looking through the barrel as I don't think there is any way you could take the 1st shot that quick unless you were. 1st target appears to be "semi" ambushed but I am not sure how the schemes work ie do you know what target is coming. Also I assume this a 28g job as it doesn't look like there shooting 24s ?

24 gram according to ISSF rulebook. I think all ISSF governed (Olympic) events are 24 gram?

Where you shootin that then?

DT

 

[jake.keeling]

Do it! what range is it?
One thing with the weather is it can be a bit frustrating on a good day
Double Trap is now a random sequence, so you get one of each of the three possible pairs on each pad but you don't know what order. So the spot shooters you see on ISSF are either holding for a target that might come or are sufficiently into the round to know that they will! get that target. There are subtle variations on this, like you can hold high and then move left or right to the targets if the first one doesn't come out under your gun and yes most if not all are consciously or peripherally looking through the gun. Others hold lower and chop up into whatever comes out, or shoot with a moving gun.
But all that is a bit technical and these guys are shooting it day in day out.
Just to have a go you just need to know that it is just the middle three traps on an OT layout and decide which side of the centre you want to favour for each pad like ABT.
Technique for having a go I would try and shoot the first target a bit reckless, no sight pictures here, but having shot OT you'll be used to that! and don't try and shoot the pair, there is only one target, the first one! I used to describe it like when you shoot a piece of broken clay with your second barrel in Single Trap, that piece is like the second clay, it doesn't exist until you've hit the target and it might fly off anywhere and you still hit it.



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[ips]

Thanks Jake very informative.

Ground is Beverly this Sunday.

So let me see if i have this right. You use all 5 pegs and 3 traps from peg 3. The pair is any variation from the 3 traps. A round is 15 pairs, i assume its a 6 man squad ?

You Cant really ambush the 1st one unless your counting targets so high but not to high a gun hold so you can move to whatever target. Is it like double rise take the straight one first ?

 

[ips]

Ps

don't know what 24g those guys are using but they appear to kick like those 50g jobs 40up and i shot last week. Unless its the upright head up stance that does not absorb recoil very well. Watched Peru final earlier and it seems to be a totally different style than ot, very tight not relaxed at all, i suppose this is done in order to contain and restrict as very little swing required compared to ot. I could of course be talking Bollox, no doubt Jake will confirm.

Sorry for all the questions Jake me old pal

 

[Les53]

I am hoping someone like jake will be along soon to clarify but so far it seems to me that they must be looking through the barrel as I don't think there is any way you could take the 1st shot that quick unless you were. 1st target appears to be "semi" ambushed but I am not sure how the schemes work ie do you know what target is coming. Also I assume this a 28g job as it doesn't look like there shooting 24s ?

Oooooooh....... I wish I could be there to watch!!!!!! I can almost hear the language already!!!!!

 

[jake.keeling]

Thanks Jake very informative.
Ground is Beverly this Sunday.
So let me see if i have this right. You use all 5 pegs and 3 traps from peg 3. The pair is any variation from the 3 traps. A round is 15 pairs, i assume its a 6 man squad ?
You Cant really ambush the 1st one unless your counting targets so high but not to high a gun hold so you can move to whatever target. Is it like double rise take the straight one first ?

Yes, this is correct. It only changes a bit in the Finals, but not worth worrying about yet.
You can! ambush or spot shoot a target you don't know is coming, but it is difficult (especially with flat rib) and you have to train to do it.
Taking the straighter (they only have 5degrees angle) or furthest bird from your pad is a good method, because if it doesn't come out, it means you have got the middle target and the nearer one, so you swing in one direction towards yourself.
So when you get on your pad stare over at where that far target will be and chances are you'll see someone else get it and you'll know the flight line to set up on, probably just under it at chosen height is ideal start.


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[Les53]

Yes, this is correct. It only changes a bit in the Finals, but not worth worrying about yet. You can! ambush or spot shoot a target you don't know is coming, but it is difficult (especially with flat rib) and you have to train to do it. Taking the straighter (they only have 5degrees angle) or furthest bird from your pad is a good method, because if it doesn't come out, it means you have got the middle target and the nearer one, so you swing in one direction towards yourself. So when you get on your pad stare over at where that far target will be and chances are you'll see someone else get it and you'll know the flight line to set up on, probably just under it at chosen height is ideal start. http://www.tirovesti.co.uk/

Blimey Jake this all sounds rather complicated!!!! Does Steve Walton still shoot DT with a flat rib Mirook? I think he used to ?

 

[ips]

Cheers Jake, that all makes sense to me. So on pegs 1 2 3 set up to ambush the right ish target if you don't get it you will see both in your left vision. Pegs 4 5 set up for left ish target, presumably we take the 1st shot very quickly and just shoot the other one instinctively, That about correct ?

Oh so is it only 24g ?

 

[Les53]

Cheers Jake, that all makes sense to me. So on pegs 1 2 3 set up to ambush the right ish target if you don't get it you will see both in your left vision. Pegs 4 5 set up for left ish target, presumably we take the 1st shot very quickly and just shoot the other one instinctively, That about correct ?

Oh so is it only 24g ?

Stop.....stop.....stop......I'm now even more confffffffuzzzzzed than I was before!!!!!

 

[jake.keeling]

Yes, this is correct. It only changes a bit in the Finals, but not worth worrying about yet. You can! ambush or spot shoot a target you don't know is coming, but it is difficult (especially with flat rib) and you have to train to do it. Taking the straighter (they only have 5degrees angle) or furthest bird from your pad is a good method, because if it doesn't come out, it means you have got the middle target and the nearer one, so you swing in one direction towards yourself. So when you get on your pad stare over at where that far target will be and chances are you'll see someone else get it and you'll know the flight line to set up on, probably just under it at chosen height is ideal start. http://www.tirovesti.co.uk/


 
Blimey Jake this all sounds rather complicated!!!! Does Steve Walton still shoot DT with a flat rib Mirook? I think he used to ?

Yes he does, and he can ambush them too! but he was doing it for years when you knew what targets you where getting.


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[Les53]

Yes he does, and he can ambush them too! but he was doing it for years when you knew what targets you where getting. http://www.tirovesti.co.uk/

Ah right I see.........I think........all this ambush stuff sounds like something out of an old western film!!!!! So all these ladder ribs are not truly essential then by the look of it!!!  :hunter:

 

[jake.keeling]

Cheers Jake, that all makes sense to me. So on pegs 1 2 3 set up to ambush the right ish target if you don't get it you will see both in your left vision. Pegs 4 5 set up for left ish target, presumably we take the 1st shot very quickly and just shoot the other one instinctively, That about correct ?
Oh so is it only 24g ?

Exactly! Reckless on first and only worry about second when you've hit the first.
Yes it's 24g, but to just have a go nobody will be bothered.
In Peru they probably had to use the local "Olympic Loads" probably Baikel buckshot or something which might explain everyone getting thumped but it's just a guess.


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