Ejectors and V springs

[CharlesP]

Soon it'll be time for me to grow up, chuck away my auto and buy a proper gun.

So I'm drawing up a list of what I want. I won't bore you with most of the list, but I have a definite desire for a gun without ejectors, or at least with easily disabled ones (naturally "disabled" means without actually damaging the gun or invalidating its warranty). I also would like proper V springs in the locks, preferably with swivels.

This sort of stuff doesn't appear on the sparse details on web sites etc, so can any of you tell me - which of Mr Browning and Mr Beretta's offerings may give me what I'm looking for? I have decided that my next gun will be one or the other of those. I know it's lazy to just ask here but you guys will actually know the answer rather than my relying someone who is hoping to make a sale and whose actua knowledge may not match his or her retail ambitions. If that sounds like I've been stung (in other walks of life) recently then you're right!

I also have a keen wish that whatever I buy shall not have "sideplates" unless it is actually a sidelock. It will either be dead plain or have tasteful engraving/etching/laser cutting that looks like it was designed by a real person, not a cornflakes advertising artist. And the wood bits will be real wood without photoshop-style enhanced painted-on grain.

Of course, there will be a considerable amount of playing witheach before I buy.

 

[iainspecialboy]

Sounds like a DT11 EL then. I may be wrong, but I think ticks the boxes.

 

[Garwood]

Buy an old Miroku 800,they had v springs.

 

[Mike]

Just stick with the auto :good:

 

[CharlesP]

I have to say I was hoping for an actual choice of more than one! Maybe I should revisit my wish list.

I won't stick with the auto much longer. It was a bit of an impulse buy and it's done its job. Trouble is that it's a 20 bore. That in itself is no problem, but the restriction in cartridge choice is a real pain. The local shooting ground only stocks a No9 shot size in the brand that cycles reliably, most gun shops locally just plain don't stock 20 bore in anything I can use. Coupled with the moaning from people accompanying me when they stand in the way of ejected cases, as well as a series of irritating issues with the gun itself, it's time to move on.

I'm happy with my Beretta 686s as a game and pigeon gun, and I'm happy with its weight and fit and handling for pottering at clays, but I would really like something a little more optimised for the latter.

 

[Simonix]

May not be on your "list", but Caesar Guerinis have easily convertable ejectors that can become "extractors".

They also have nice wood, and the summits have nice simple engraving without sideplates. 

They do not however have V springs.

 

[Jonny English]

Beretta SV10's I believe have selectable ejectors at the turn of a screw, but no V springs, could be worth a look at the SV10 perennia or prevail.

 

[Dog Tyred]

As a matter of interest why would you not want ejectors?

DT

Edited for English- Doh!

 

[Les53]

I don't know of any standard guns with V springs that also have selectable ejectors to be honest. I would guess that Perazzi would make one for you, but it would be best to ask, I've never seen one though. Some Brownings have been made with ejector selection, but they are coil springs of course, never seen a DT10 or DT11 with selectable ejectors, but they do have V springs. You could be in for a costly gun mate!!! 

 

[Garwood]

Its like asking for a car with drum brakes and cross ply tyres.

 

[CharlesP]

As this gun will mainly be used for pottering around shooting at clays there simply isn't a need for ejectors, whose sole purpose is for rapid reloading. Invented in an era when firing a lot of shots rapidly at large numbers of game birds became an issue, there isn't any reaon to have them when birds don't appear until you have called "Pull!" More than that, I've never really mastered the presidigitation required to open the gun and nattily catch the ejected cases, so the things end up on the floor behind me. I would much rather pick them out of the breeches and put them in my pocket or chuck 'em in the bin as required. The same is true when shooting wood pigeons; I would rather not lose empties in the stubble or undergrowth. The effort required to effectively cock the ejectors and their likelihood of failure are additional factors. Lots of people tend to agree, over in the States there are gunsmiths who offer a conversion service.

I am in my fifth decade of shooting, and I can honestly say that very very rarely have I found myself shooting with a non ejector and wishing it was an ejector. I have on numerous occasions when shooting an ejector wished the dam' thing would simply extract.

The business about drum brakes and crossply tyres made me chuckle. If I have addressed the ejector/extractor requirement aboveas a parallel to the drum brakes, then let me address the crossply tyres (V springs) issue by referring Mr Garwood to Messrs Greener, Burrard, Boxall, Edmiston, Purdey, Perazzi, Holland&Holland, AYA, Beretta, and every member of the Gunmakers Association since its inception. There are definite advantages to V springs, the only advantage of coil springs being their cheapness and ease of manufacture.

Hopwever, many thanks for the replies. It would seem that what I'm asking for is going to be a pain in the wallet. I will try to rethink my wish list, and ponder the viability of opening up the full choke on my Beretta 686 as a thrifty partial answer. I will have another look, as suggested, at Caesar Guerini, but it will require a massive effort of will on my part to get past the alarming lack of attention to detail shown on the front page of their importer's web site. Oh I know it doesn't matter to some if one abuses apostrophes, but does the "it doesn't matter" ethos displayed there inspire confidence?

Sadly I have concluded that reviews in the shooting press are of absolutely no use.

 

[Darkside]

You sound like someone who has set their heart on a pink spotted unicorn to take to the beach for donkey rides...good luck!!!

 

[Bryn12]

Must confess to wondering why clay guns have ejectors when it means you have to cover the breach to stop them flying all over the place instead of extractors presenting them neatly to be lifted out and put in the bin.

 

[CharlesP]

Unicorn, donkey rides - love it.

Not pink, however.

 

[Oldblaster]

I think without it custom made you will have a hard time trying to find this combination, I have a Browning 725 and in my opinion the trigger's are just as crisp and with as fast a lock time, as any gun I have had with 'V' springs.

 

[Oldblaster]

I think without it custom made you will have a hard time trying to find this combination, I have a Browning 725 and in my opinion the trigger's are just as crisp and with as fast a lock time, as any gun I have had with 'V' springs.

 

[Oldblaster]

I think without it custom made you will have a hard time trying to find this combination, I have a Browning 725 and in my opinion the trigger's are just as crisp and with as fast a lock time, as any gun I have had with 'V' springs.

 

[PhilS]

I think you made your point Oldblaster - once would have done it  :sarcastichand:

 

[Dog Tyred]

As this gun will mainly be used for pottering around shooting at clays there simply isn't a need for ejectors, whose sole purpose is for rapid reloading. Invented in an era when firing a lot of shots rapidly at large numbers of game birds became an issue, there isn't any reaon to have them when birds don't appear until you have called "Pull!" More than that, I've never really mastered the presidigitation required to open the gun and nattily catch the ejected cases, so the things end up on the floor behind me. I would much rather pick them out of the breeches and put them in my pocket or chuck 'em in the bin as required. The same is true when shooting wood pigeons; I would rather not lose empties in the stubble or undergrowth. The effort required to effectively cock the ejectors and their likelihood of failure are additional factors. Lots of people tend to agree, over in the States there are gunsmiths who offer a conversion service.

I am in my fifth decade of shooting, and I can honestly say that very very rarely have I found myself shooting with a non ejector and wishing it was an ejector. I have on numerous occasions when shooting an ejector wished the dam' thing would simply extract.

Charles
Excellent reply. I must confess having never shot a gun without ejectors, not having them has never occurred to me, hence my enquiry. However you make a valid point. Good luck with your search.

DT