I see that The Clay company has joined Fedecate. I would have thought it will be embarrassing for the International Board who are staging there Selection shoot at Westfield, they affiliate to fitasc so it could be difficult, although I understand they are contracted for this shoot. I think Steve and Allison should have given this a bit more thought. It appears to be commercial suicide .
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Why would it be commercial suicide? Are you thinking they would be banned from holding Fitasc shoots and therefore miss out financially? I don't think that would happen and even if it did can you imagine eventually Fitasc would not have anywhere to hold their events - it would be their suicide I think. In the end I think we can agree Steve will continue to put on loads for us to shoot without worrying about Fitasc. It would be a shame I think for the Fitasc shooters although in comparison to sporting shooters (and I like Fitasc discipline and shoot it) are a far greater number.
I think that fitasc has a general ban on any shooter taking part in a fedecate event, don't hold me to that as I have not checked the rules. I don't think Steve is aware of that ruling. How can the International board and maybe even the CPSA stage future events at a ground that is affiliated to Fedecate. Fedecate is a banned organisation in many countries because of its links to Live Pigeon shooting . I think Steve is a bit naïve and never thought it though.
I'll be honest I don't know much about the whole thing but he is aware of the worry about being banned as it has been brought up on Facebook by fitasc shooters worried that if they shoot the fedecat events they will be banned. But then on Facebook you see pictures of Fedecat champions who are also Fitasc champions at the same time so who knows what is what. Personally individual countries, governing bodies, federations, clubs or individual shooters may feel intimidated by Fitasc but at the end of the day when they all wake up and realise where the balance of power really lies it will be Fitasc who pay the price.
Actually that is not strictly true, FITASC's position is clear, individual shooters have the right to compete in any even they wish to do so, however, FITASC are claiming that Fedecat have basically reneged on an agreement between the two parties and have copied the rules and other elements of FITASC sporting. This led to a couple of Countries federations being banned from FITASC and therefore entering any national teams or holding any FITASC events (GP's, Euros or Worlds).
I think Steve signing up to Fedecat is fine and he has the freedom to do run events for them, I think if the CPSA and/or BICTSF were to condone or take part in, or support any Fedecat event it would be a problem. GB has just been given the 50th European Championships, lets hope we still have it in a few months time...
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No - that implication has been removed now. They can't ban people like that. The message has been removed from the FITASC website, and there are recent photos of FEDECAT winners who are also FITASC winners (Helics & Trap5)
Don't listen to anyone that says otherwise.
The Clay Shooting Company are opening up more competitions, in more formats - whilst I don't necessarily think we need more governing bodies, we do need more competition organisers, so I think we should be supporting all of them as much as we can.
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I don't want this thread to get in to a 1984 discussion, but...
The shoot needs a single governing body, otherwise World Championships, the World Champions, become watered down by the virtue of there being a plethora of different associations. While it is good to introduce 'new' disciplines, there surely is a limit to what is considered new, even sportasc is a *******isation of fitasc, shoot pre mounted or not, fedecat sporting is founded on the same principles.
The shoot needs a single governing body, otherwise World Championships, the World Champions, become watered down by the virtue of there being a plethora of different associations. While it is good to introduce 'new' disciplines, there surely is a limit to what is considered new, even sportasc is a *******isation of fitasc, shoot pre mounted or not, fedecat sporting is founded on the same principles.
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I don't see what difference it makes how many disciplines or organizations there are, folk shoot what they want to and those that are popular will sustain. As long as one of them doesn't get all childish trying to tell people that they need to hang there cap on one specific organization.
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Is Wingnut really Dennis Webb doing his usual sh*t stirring?
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Its not all crap that he writes.
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FITASC is a very large organization,, world wide membership is huge.
having said that, they are a monopoly , and need some competition, or they try to dictate what happens in the clay target world, they also have quite a stiff levy in place per shooter , per international event and on each organization in each country, about 70+ worldwide ,
what sort of money is paid to CPSA on a reg` shoot? i expect a lot less than fitasc!
fitasc generally is far more popular than ESP,,although there is more esp worldwide,, its not popular,and although there is resistance to fitasc, they will "rule the roost" internationally i think.
my personal opinion, of course.
having said that, they are a monopoly , and need some competition, or they try to dictate what happens in the clay target world, they also have quite a stiff levy in place per shooter , per international event and on each organization in each country, about 70+ worldwide ,
what sort of money is paid to CPSA on a reg` shoot? i expect a lot less than fitasc!
fitasc generally is far more popular than ESP,,although there is more esp worldwide,, its not popular,and although there is resistance to fitasc, they will "rule the roost" internationally i think.
my personal opinion, of course.
I was talking about here in the UK rather than internationally in terms of numbers of shooters who are dedicated Fitasc shooters or dedicated sporting shooters - some of us do both. At the end of the day they have been acting like a school yard bully, if they carried on I think it would affect them, it may take time but it would happen.
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Yes Sian, i agree completely, i would expect Palinkas and co to take notice of what the "customers,, ie us shooters," have to say. it helps if the bigger associations in Europe and USA were to make a bit more noise when they try to bully things through.; they threatened CTSASA last year if they ran 5 stand instead of COMPAK they would be barred from FITASC! and mr Palinkas is big mates with Costa and co. i also knew him for years there.
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they sound a right lot. I would tell em to shove it and shoot something else if they take that attitude. No one "owns" clay shooting we can shoot what we jolly well like. I hate being told what to do, and I don't even shoot any fitasc stuff and neither will I.
and the cpsa get slated. !!;!!
and the cpsa get slated. !!;!!
