I have bought my gun and am curently storing in a local gun shop. My best mate has just been approved for his licence, when his licence comes through my gun will be going in his cabinet . Question is whos licence does it go on, can it stay on mine as its my gun, can it go on both or does it need to be on his only ?????
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bostonmick
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you can share a gun but you cannot have a key to a cabinet that holds someone else's guns so if your mate has other guns they cant be in the same cabinet as yours.it has to go on your license as shared why cant does it have to be in his cabinet
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Er ....no.....
If you are a certificate holder yourself and your gun is on his licence as well as yours...and it is in his cabinet....hence allowing it to be legally in his house...then you can have access to his safe (if he is happy with that and gives you keys) whether there are other guns there or not. Yours is....and your certificate allows you to be around his guns...ie on the 72 hour rule you could even borrow one of his guns.
But all this depends on whether 'you' have your own cert. If you have not got a certificate...and you are just putting your gun on his ticket....then you cannot have access or even be alone with the gun you paid for....if you are 'not' a cert holder......true story.
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Unless he has firearms as distinct from shotguns in which case you cannot access any cabinet containing those!
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Yes.
bostonmick
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I speak from my own experience my grandson has his own license and I gifted him two guns as he is under 18 the flo told me he must have his own cabinet and keep the keys secret as is usual and I was not allowed to enter his cabinet unless the guns were shared on my cert as well and you can definitely not have keys on a permanent basis to a cabinet that contains guns that are not on your cert as this is permanent access and not 72 hour loan.that is lincs flo policy in my case.
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I gave you the correct answer Bostonmick.
bostonmick
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I tend not to argue with the flo as he has the power of me shooting or not.i would check with your own flo as to what they are happy with.
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And that is where again you are wrong. If I may be so bold.
Let me explain. The Flo has to operate the Firearms Act and not decide their own laws. I sat on the board at Whitehall that deals with Firearms legislation so I tell you again...that 'my' post is right.
Do with it what you want.
There are many shared gun cabinets in the UK where different shotguns are on different licences and each person has access to the keys......true story..!
The point is that they are all shotgun certificate holders (I am not referring to rifles or pistols).
Let me explain. The Flo has to operate the Firearms Act and not decide their own laws. I sat on the board at Whitehall that deals with Firearms legislation so I tell you again...that 'my' post is right.
Do with it what you want.
There are many shared gun cabinets in the UK where different shotguns are on different licences and each person has access to the keys......true story..!
The point is that they are all shotgun certificate holders (I am not referring to rifles or pistols).
To quote from the Firearms Law Guidance to Police 2002
The term “unauthorised access” has
been held to include the constructive
possession that can occur where persons
other than the certificate holder have access
to the keys for security devices, as well as
access gained by criminal entry to the
premises etc.
This gives the impression that is is not OK to share a cabinet without having all guns on both certificates. However - it then goes on to say
"With regard to shared
security, such as a firearm and a shot gun
certificate holder sharing a cabinet, separate
security provisions to prevent unauthorised
access to firearms once within the cabinet or
primary security measure, should be made.
Devices such as lockable high tensile steel
cable are considered suitable for this purpose."
This is specifically talking about a firearm (section 1) and a shotgun (Section 2) being shared - maybe it is just an example.
Personally - I think it is a grey area and if I were sharing a cabinet I would just prefer to get all guns on all certificates - it costs nothing to do and potentially can save a lot of trouble.
The term “unauthorised access” has
been held to include the constructive
possession that can occur where persons
other than the certificate holder have access
to the keys for security devices, as well as
access gained by criminal entry to the
premises etc.
This gives the impression that is is not OK to share a cabinet without having all guns on both certificates. However - it then goes on to say
"With regard to shared
security, such as a firearm and a shot gun
certificate holder sharing a cabinet, separate
security provisions to prevent unauthorised
access to firearms once within the cabinet or
primary security measure, should be made.
Devices such as lockable high tensile steel
cable are considered suitable for this purpose."
This is specifically talking about a firearm (section 1) and a shotgun (Section 2) being shared - maybe it is just an example.
Personally - I think it is a grey area and if I were sharing a cabinet I would just prefer to get all guns on all certificates - it costs nothing to do and potentially can save a lot of trouble.
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Yes....this refers to the security of the 'firearm'.....as i mentioned earlier that is a totally different kettle of fish.
I think the OP was talking about shotguns only. Maybe he could clarify.
In which case I have made the position clear.
(Note I share gun room and various cabinets with someone who has a different name to me.....not all are guns are on my licence or his....I can access everything.....he can access everything....one is an expert on Firearms law.....and the other is me :wink: ).....just saying....true story....!
I think the OP was talking about shotguns only. Maybe he could clarify.
In which case I have made the position clear.
(Note I share gun room and various cabinets with someone who has a different name to me.....not all are guns are on my licence or his....I can access everything.....he can access everything....one is an expert on Firearms law.....and the other is me :wink: ).....just saying....true story....!
bostonmick
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this is like being married again.
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I know......but it is a shame that you are not wanting to increase your knowledge on the subject.
I have tried to help give the correct info....if you choose to accept it then that is up to you. ....true story..! :wink:
I don't see the issue here. If both people who have access to the cabinet have the guns on their certificate then they can both have keys to the box surely? It would be different if one had FAC weapons and the other did not, defo a no no there!
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Nic no doubt you are correct but for ease surely easier just to both have the guns on their certs? As been said cost nothing and only need to inform the old bill job done. We may have had many an issue over other things but I doubt I would argue with you about gun ownership
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Nic no doubt you are correct but for ease surely easier just to both have the guns on their certs? As been said cost nothing and only need to inform the old bill job done. We may have had many an issue over other things but I doubt I would argue with you about gun ownership
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bostonmick
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I am always prepared to gain more knowledge and I am in no way saying you are wrong.however could you answer me this scenario you friends have full access to your guns as you have to theirs now you obviously trust them very much but as we can never know others fully if one of them took one of your guns without your knowledge and commited a crime how would you stand as security is your responsibility I have many friends but how many times have we heard that the person next door was so quiedt and kept himself to himself you would never have thought he or she was a murderer or rapist you are putting a lot of trust into others which I would not do.
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They both need a cert.....they both need a gun on their cert that is in the cabinet they are accessing....but they do not need to have all guns that are in the cabinet on both certs....hope that helps everyone.
