Gunfit and conflicting advice
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Docterduck
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Whew!! It is what it is. A consistent gun mount with a gun that fits, pretty simple. Makes no difference what discipline your shooting. Yes there are idiosyncrasies for set up however the fundamentals never change...a consistent gun mount with a gun that fits.
Well, if you are going to get personal...............Esmorelda and I are off out for dinner !
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John
We are talking Alberto fernandez type. A few spanish adopt similar however his seems to work the best. There are quite a few English trap shooters who have done very well with this style over the years also. The thing is all the prep is done before the gun is lifted and once you start your commited so perfect fit and perfect mount every time is required.
Its a good job i am short as all these named mount styles went 'straight' over my head 
Having a well fitting gun is a large part of any shooting wether sporting, trap, or game etc. At the end of the day its the idiot behind the trigger who either hits or missus the target.
AND i should know
Having a well fitting gun is a large part of any shooting wether sporting, trap, or game etc. At the end of the day its the idiot behind the trigger who either hits or missus the target.
AND i should know
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Yes that guy is one of a kind... and very effective! My shooting of course is limited to what I have seen here and on the youtube vids of OT shoots. I think I must have the two piece mount gun to shoulder and head to stock and always take about a four second hold before the call. I saw the weirdest every mount at a comp last week. The guy was a super vet and what he did was shoulder the gun OPEN and bounce it against his shoulder as if feeling for a perfect fit in the pocket using is right hand, then when happy he closed the gun with his left and called for the target... and blasted it! He shot 23,24 in his first two but tired to a 20 and 19 in his second two in the afternoon but for someone who is 78 he is doing alright.
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Wonko the Sane
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Shooting a poorly fitted gun compromises every other aspect of the mechanics of shooting. Much like shooting a rifle that has not been sighted in and you don't get to see the bullet strikes.
Ever wonder why every bespoke gunmaker has a try stock and test ranges?
Do it properly or keep your expectations low
besta luck
Ever wonder why every bespoke gunmaker has a try stock and test ranges?
Do it properly or keep your expectations low
besta luck
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Nimbusgb
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I'm with Will. Approximate fit a least. Couple of thousand shells then a review and probably a proper fitting.
if I understand it one of your two coaches is saying that you should adapt your mount to suit the gun. Can't think of anything worse! Surely a natural mount must be more effective.
if I understand it one of your two coaches is saying that you should adapt your mount to suit the gun. Can't think of anything worse! Surely a natural mount must be more effective.
Coach A, thinks that gun fit can wait and that being a bit off, won't hurt for now.
Coach B, thinks that gun fit is very important and you should start as you mean to go on.
So as Will says, they are both right and both wrong.
If the gun is far too long, (for example), then this should be addressed before any serious learning takes place. But, if it is only slightly too long or too short, then getting a good mount is more important.
Coach B, thinks that gun fit is very important and you should start as you mean to go on.
So as Will says, they are both right and both wrong.
If the gun is far too long, (for example), then this should be addressed before any serious learning takes place. But, if it is only slightly too long or too short, then getting a good mount is more important.
You know threads like this upset my mind completely !
you guys are just giving me another thing to screw my mind with!I am ambling along learning how to play this game and spanners keep appearing from left field. I shot yesterday managed 23,20,20 and 22 that is not consistent so now my mind wanders as to why ? Don't get me wrong I am not a great shot but its the manner in which the scores are compiled that bothers me and starts me of thinking why? I missed four out of the first five for the first 20 and then I am shooting really well when suddenly three straight missed in the middle of second 20 and the final 22 I had two missed on the trot. So now I am sitting thinking maybe I do need that gun fit checked out, maybe it is something to do with that?... Or maybe I just have to accept that sometimes I shoot well and other times not so well?
PhilS
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Surely it can't hurt to have your gun fit checked John?
Sounds like the NUT between the ears needs some adjustment ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :angel: You know threads like this upset my mind completely !
I am ambling along learning how to play this game and spanners keep appearing from left field. I shot yesterday managed 23,20,20 and 22 that is not consistent so now my mind wanders as to why ? Don't get me wrong I am not a great shot but its the manner in which the scores are compiled that bothers me and starts me of thinking why? I missed four out of the first five for the first 20 and then I am shooting really well when suddenly three straight missed in the middle of second 20 and the final 22 I had two missed on the trot. So now I am sitting thinking maybe I do need that gun fit checked out, maybe it is something to do with that?... Or maybe I just have to accept that sometimes I shoot well and other times not so well?
The standard for that down here is someone checking your lining up your eye down the rib with your gun mounted what you would say is standard... if it looks right the gun fits regardless of what else is going on with the stock. I think I will however concede that in the interest of the nut between my ears as westley says may be some deeper research into my gun fit is warranted because if there is a problem that when sorted an help me build my scores it makes sense to have it done.
By what you say, and to a degree I concur with Phil, it would not hurt to have your gunfit checked. However I somehow believe that dropping 3 or 4 TRAP targets could more likely be technique than an ill fitting gun. It seems that there is a dire shortage of stockfitters, but what about a decent Coach who specialises in Trap disciplines ? You can try and analyse your scores, are the targets that you are missing completely random or are they a specific angle and height ? If a 1 shot and move discipline, is your mind more on the moving than the shooting ? Remember, it is so easy to drop your concentration and thus a target, when moving stands. Ask yourself, "what is my best score"? and if that is a 25 straight or 22 + I would look elsewhere other than gunfit. I accept that good gunfit is important, BUT it is more important in a gun down discipline than a pre mounted one. Pre mounted, you can make minor adjustments to your gun hold and head position before calling for the target, just remember to do that EVERY time you mount the gun.
westley I think my concentration skills are lacking to be honest. Take Saturday for example my first round was a 23 which for me is a good score I miss one at about 9 and then another very late on say 20 ish. The second round I missed four from five I then good my head on and cleared up 19 out of the rest. Third round I am shooting really well hammering the targets then after 15 targets miss three on the trot there is no real pattern to target type but I sometimes lose it because I can hear people talking in the back ground so I think concentration is the problem. I had a coach watching me the other week and he told me exactly what I had done wrong and that is a great help but as you will know doubt know it is very easy to make mistakes if you do not concentrate on the job. I will be seeing him at the next competition so I will be making an appointment for further help. This is a game I have been doing since I came to stay in France so a bit over two years but at my age I think I will struggle to be anything other than average at best but it will not stop me trying to be better I think it is great fun and the best part is seeing the targets disappear so I will always want to do better.
ChrisPackham
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Thanks guys! Gun fit booked for tomorrow, will be interesting to see results
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I too am an average shot, but I have in the past shot a few 100 straights. I now suffer the usual ailments that come with old age, but that does not stop me from always wanting to better my scores. I can remember many years ago hitting a bad patch in DTL and ABT. I went to see an excellent Coach who spotted straight off that I was calling and then moving my gun before the target appeared. I was not convinced. He had me shoot a few more targets and then I called and no target appeared, BUT my barrels were moving upwards. Case proved ! I think though, that you already know what the problem is and no degree of stock alterations will alter that.
Wonko the Sane
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John, no one shoots a 23 by accident. Were those acceptable target breaks?
Relax, dude! Give a thot to how many people would swap a vital body part for your scores.
I'll say it AGAIN - the GOAL is proper, consistent technique. Scores are a result of that. Have that tattooed someplace that you see a lot
Relax, dude! Give a thot to how many people would swap a vital body part for your scores.
I'll say it AGAIN - the GOAL is proper, consistent technique. Scores are a result of that. Have that tattooed someplace that you see a lot
ChrisPackham
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That really was a great use of time, by seeing a gunfit expert they were able to detect a slight correction my gun mount as the gun didn't quite fit, this minuscule correction was bringing in inconsistency which 30 yards away on pattern plate was noticeable and sometimes caused hesitation which on fast crossers gave me little chance. A few tweaks to the try gun made a huge difference 40 yards away!
its interesting that the fitter explained how the guy in the shop would not necessarily have picked up on my correction and so the gun fit me, just not on initial mount ... Just goes to show what experience can teach you..
amazing how tight the pattern on extended optichoke was through modified, I don't think the gunsmith believed me when he saw the pattern... Will definitely be changing those to cyl and imp cylinder ( imp cylinder had been breaking every distance I have shot) ... I now understand why pigeons last week became trap bait rather than food.
excited to collect gun next week, almost as good as getting a new one!
its interesting that the fitter explained how the guy in the shop would not necessarily have picked up on my correction and so the gun fit me, just not on initial mount ... Just goes to show what experience can teach you..
amazing how tight the pattern on extended optichoke was through modified, I don't think the gunsmith believed me when he saw the pattern... Will definitely be changing those to cyl and imp cylinder ( imp cylinder had been breaking every distance I have shot) ... I now understand why pigeons last week became trap bait rather than food.
excited to collect gun next week, almost as good as getting a new one!
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