help what beretta is this ?

[icesyst]

All I know is its Dated 1944,on the barrels

Pictures on link

http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/d19bjc/albums/

 

[shootinguru]

Looks like a live pigeon gun to me!

 

[Wonko the Sane]

There's a bunch a old Beretta guys at this place that can prolly assist.  

http://www.doublegunshop.com/

 

[jwpzx9r]

cancel that looks nice though !

 

[ips]

I know the answer ... An old one with barrels the wrong way round

 

[no.1topdog]

I know the answer ... An old one with barrels the wrong way round

Too modern for you Ips??

I believe stacked barrels did come first in the muzzle loading days, so they can't claim to be the "originals", but there's something special about shooting with a side by side. Ideal for fast trap allegedly???  (But only because POA = POI)????  :sarcastic:

 

[ips]

Ha

Somebody put the stock on the wrong way round.

A friend of mine sadly now departed used to shoot a ss at everything incl abt and to good effect. I shot a live pigeon gun at ot for a laugh a while ago, never again kicked the bejesus out of me

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I have a Beretta SxS that kicked the snot outta me too.  Then I got around to making it fit me and noticed that it had about ten inches of down pitch from the factory.  I'm not even gonna try to guess why.  But I buzzed that baby back to about a tenth that and now it's so civilized that you wouldn't know it was the same gun.

Seems like proper gunfit even works on SxS's, eh?

 

[icesyst]

What's it worth?

 

[ehb102]

My SxS is 7/40th and 15/40th chokes, which is roughly 3/16ths and 3/8ths if my maths is right. I want to use it as a skeet gun, but that would probably cause complaints as well. 

 

[Wonko the Sane]

My SxS is 7/40th and 15/40th chokes, which is roughly 3/16ths and 3/8ths if my maths is right. I want to use it as a skeet gun, but that would probably cause complaints as well. 

Those x/40 numbers are really strange.  Where did those come from?  What kinda gun?

 

[Wonko the Sane]

All I know is its Dated 1944,on the barrels

Pictures on link

http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/d19bjc/albums/

The little pigeon on the lever doesn't make it a pigeon gun.  Beretta puts those on all kinda guns.

Need a pic of the bottom of the barrels/barrel flats for the proof/etc info and whether it's a monobloc or chopperlump barrel

I can't get the pix to enlarge and see anything so it's hard to tell if it's a plated boxlock or a sidelock.

there should be a model # in/on the action or maybe on the barrel flats

can't really tell you much from those pix but then I'm not the res Beretta 'spert either

 

[shootinguru]

Its monobloc barrels, boxlock with sideplates!

 

[ehb102]

Those x/40 numbers are really strange.  Where did those come from?  What kinda gun?

It's a Baikal 43EM from the early 80s. The numbers were kindly provided to me by Barry Simpson, of Simpsons, Newmarket. Mr Simpson measured the chokes for me and explained the alternative choke system. I did the conversion maths myself (in case the numbers are wrong).

Simpsons are a very helpful shop. 

 

[Wonko the Sane]

It's a Baikal 43EM from the early 80s. The numbers were kindly provided to me by Barry Simpson, of Simpsons, Newmarket. Mr Simpson measured the chokes for me and explained the alternative choke system. I did the conversion maths myself (in case the numbers are wrong).

Simpsons are a very helpful shop. 

It just strikes me as a rather bizarre combination of systems/concepts that I don't even know how to typify.  Are the barrels stamped with those #'s?  And they would seem to come out sorta 1/4 and sorta 1/2 depending on the bore dia.  The Russian guns I've seen have had pretty tight bores so maybe closer to 1/4 and 1/2 than you might expect.  Likely way too tight for a proper skeet gun - one I could hit anything with at any rate.

Call me old fashioned, but simple #s in mm or inches seem way less complicated, tho complicated may not be the proper word.  Prolly just my fossil brain.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Its monobloc barrels, boxlock with sideplates!

That would remove it from the mega$ range. The info stamped on the barrel flats would likely provide the clues for someone who is Beretta-wise.  Which I instantly cop to not being.

 

[no.1topdog]

My SxS is 7/40th and 15/40th chokes, which is roughly 3/16ths and 3/8ths if my maths is right. I want to use it as a skeet gun, but that would probably cause complaints as well. 

It just strikes me as a rather bizarre combination of systems/concepts that I don't even know how to typify.  Are the barrels stamped with those #'s?  And they would seem to come out sorta 1/4 and sorta 1/2 depending on the bore dia.  The Russian guns I've seen have had pretty tight bores so maybe closer to 1/4 and 1/2 than you might expect.  Likely way too tight for a proper skeet gun - one I could hit anything with at any rate.

Call me old fashioned, but simple #s in mm or inches seem way less complicated, tho complicated may not be the proper word.  Prolly just my fossil brain.

I guess nobody is going to jump in and explain this to Wonko. Us Brits have so many old Imperial measurements it makes The Ancient greeks look like pre-school mathematicians! When they all migrated to The Americas, they obviously forgot all the variations of weights and measures, along with the ability to spell aluminium and centre correctly!!! (Among others!).  :biggrin:   As for U.S. Gallons? What's that all about then??   :fie:

The way Barry Simpson gave the choke measurements to Liz were based on the old (read ancient) measurements of deiation from the measured bore size (whatever that may be). Personally I find this to be a perfectly acceptable and understandable way to equate choke and expected patterns thrown. (Unless you want to be fussy and split hairs for a living!).

Based on 40 thousands of an inch constriction being equivalent to full choke, 20 thou equals half choke etc. etc.

Liz's Baikal therefore, has between improved cylinder and quarter in one barrel (the 7/40th's), and half way between quarter and half in the other (the 15/40th's) making it very suitable for skeet in my humble opinion. Certainly not one for the Fast Trap Disciplines.

One day someone will get me to understand more modern methods of expressing choke constriction, but until then I'm strictly Imperial where Cylinder, Improved Cylinder, Quarter, Half, Three Quarters and Full are all you need to know, and anything inbetween is near enough to make no difference.    :biggrin:

 

[ips]

And they cant pronounce tomato or potato correctly, weirdos

 

[westley]

But they did have Saab's so can't be all that bad.