I know of a few top shots that have had coaching to fix 'problems' but will swear blind they have NEVER had a lesson...
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balltrap
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If you are reasonably good and want to do better you will find it in yourself to progress by understanding what you have done wrong, and learning what you have to do, be it mentally or fiscally to achieve better scores there is no need for a coach or lesson if you know what you are doing wrong if you are at a good level.
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Because there's tangible money involved. If the kind of prize money and fame that's the norm in say tennis was available in clay shooting then rest assured those at the top would put absolutely everything they had on achieving success.
I am sure there are many top shots we don't routinely think of as having had coaching who have indeed had some help from time to time especially on problem targets but the fact remains the majority are essentially self taught. It's not like you need a magic key from someone, it is ultimately about working on problems and working through them via practice, the more you put in the more you get out.
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Really? I didn't mention which sports.... plenty of sports out there that pay very little, if anything and those sportspeople use coaches to improve/progress...
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Our mutual friend is the most impressive shooter i have ever had the pleasure to meet or shoot with, in my books he ranks in the very best in the world and no he has never had a lesson to my knowledge. I love shooting on the same squad as him it makes me up my game, on the very odd occasion that i do beat him makes me feel like a million dollars, he is human after all ! . I also know three other top shots very well and they have never had a lesson in shooting.
p.s. if you tell him what i said i will knock you out !
Paul120
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Although I don't think your spealing about myself
.I can say I've never had a lesson.. however i've asked a lot of questions of top shots and watched them carefully to see if there's something they do which may also work for me. Either mentally or technically.
Usually if I go bad (such as at yhe moment) One of the people who know telm me of I've slipped into a bad habbit etc.
My dad used to be good at that.
Mr Mutual friend gave me some subtle pointers last time out.
Have I had a formal lesson or coaching.. No,
I've had plenty of help by some of the bery best though. Which is I suspect how those who say they haven't had coaching get on.
If you aren't fortunate to know somebody who shoots or knows about how to get to a level you are trying well enough to question or give you advice Then a coach is a good idea.
Will Hewland
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I think the top shots who have rarely been coached are likely not missing out. They clearly are the sort of people who, aside from their good hand-eye coordination etc., can (consciously or subconsciously) progress, learn, innovate, adapt and correct themselves well. Conversely, I see people who clearly have no sense of logic or progress and will shoot poorly for a lifetime if not put onto a better path. However, some of these folk will accept advice, while others have a mental barrier up against taking it. I shot with a mate for a while a few years ago and he COULD NOT take basic advice. He had to have a cunning plan to hit the clay and wouldn't adapt normal decent practice. In the end he quit in frustration. I've known many more like him but not as severe.. with these folk it boils down to whether they are more interested in getting it right, or actually more concerned that every idea MUST be their own..
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move-mount-miss
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Interesting thread, my bet is that the top shots who have never had a lesson started very young. Give a kid the basics and plenty of cartridges the chances are they will work it out for themselves however the older brain probably needs a little more help. A child learns more in it's first 5 years than it does in the rest of it's life.
I think that we may be coming confused in the difference between Coaching , Instructing, and Advising.
I know your 'Mutual Friend' has been advised, instructed and coached .
Interestingly on the CPSA website is an advert for three Olympic discipline Coaches . The job criteria is very flakey and reads more like an 'old boys network' or 'jobs for the boys'.
When you consider that we have the CPSA who are the Government appointed body to administer clay shooting and the BASC which is the largest membership organisation representing Shooters in the UK , who actually are 'British Shooting' why , when , and what for?
Yet another organisation set up to give a few a feeling of self importance and an expenses fueled lifestyle paid for by you & me and other taxpayers without any justifiable need.
I know your 'Mutual Friend' has been advised, instructed and coached .
Interestingly on the CPSA website is an advert for three Olympic discipline Coaches . The job criteria is very flakey and reads more like an 'old boys network' or 'jobs for the boys'.
When you consider that we have the CPSA who are the Government appointed body to administer clay shooting and the BASC which is the largest membership organisation representing Shooters in the UK , who actually are 'British Shooting' why , when , and what for?
Yet another organisation set up to give a few a feeling of self importance and an expenses fueled lifestyle paid for by you & me and other taxpayers without any justifiable need.
Will Hewland
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Totally true re the age thing. You see young kids become very good within three years, especially with coaching. Starting in later life definitely slows up the learning rate. maybe this is partly because as older "wiser" people we question things more, rather than just accept them.
move-mount-miss
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Also younger people are very good at watching and then mimicking where as we need a drawing, pie chart and full report.
The young also start off with better eyesight, reactions and absolutely no worries including not worrying about cost because someone else is paying.
Always exceptions to the rule but don't know many 10 to say 16 yrs olds who pay for their own shooting ?
I took it for granted you would realise I was generalising about good eyesight and reactions ?? without having to type it.
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