Well I paid a visit to see Dennis at UK Gun Repairs and i've ordered myself a new CG Apex Trap 32" with the slightly raised Impact rib (not the really high rib) and whilst I was there I had a look at a 20Guage Siren Trap and I was so impressed with the dimensions and balance of this little gun I ordered one of those for my wife as well. We carefully laid it on top of her MX8 (fitted with Ergosign) and the stock was exactly the same set up. The difference is that the comb and grip is closer to the action, the gun is lighter and unlike her MX8 (which was a bit too heavy for her) is balanced better. Dennis's new gun room is quite the alladins cave! In comparison to a lot of the gun shops i've been to, there's a large selection of some very nice Trap guns as well as a few sporters and game guns.