Latest edition of Pull, regarding DT11

[Les53]

I was reading the latest edition of Pull magazine and I came across an article about and review of the DT11 trap gun, by Ian Peel and Vic Harker. The main article is by Vic Harker and basically says that people who shoot OT or aspire to shoot OT will only consider two makers of gun, Perazzi and Beretta! Well I'm surprised at Vic Harker for making such a stupid statement! Has he forgotten about Caroline Povey who still uses an MK38, as do many others, and what about Aaron Heading? He recently won the OT World Cup, he uses a Gamba, our Dorset OT captain uses a K80. I think his statement is vastly inaccurate to say the least. He also seems to have forgotten that the only two Olympic medals won in OT by Brits, Bob Braithwaite and Ian Peel, were not won with Perazzi or Beretta! Bob used a Browning and Ian used a Miroku.Then we have a multi time OT world/european champion Michael Carrega, a Browning shooter. In fact the winner of the gold medal in the 1952 Olympics was a Canadian guy called George Generaux, he shot a Winchester pump gun!!!!  What is it with these people who write these articles? Anyone new to OT who has read the article could now be thinking that if such guns are needed, well they could not afford such a gun and may not bother. OK that may be taking it a bit far, but so did the article by saying such a thing about OT shooters or those who aspire to be! :growl:

 

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Fare point Les

 

[Les53]

Fare point Les

I was just so surprised that Vic should make such a remark, I have a lot of respect for Vic and his views, but on this occaision I felt he was way off the mark!

 

[jwpzx9r]

These guns are obviously very good but If you aspire to be top of the tree in a discipline that's shall we say "head" heavy then I can see where the statement comes from. If you believe the equipment you have is right then your ahead of the game. Having said that the man behind the gun is the key! The way I see it the stage has been set by Perazzi they have every, or nearly, shooter believing that there is something mercurial about their guns, and to change that situation another gun maker is going to have to persuade the very top shooters to user their gun to win many titles that is the only way the equilibrium will shift. The likes of Browning don't appear to be interested though!

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Also how accommodating are Perazzi you can visit their factory and have a gun made especially for you for I believe less than £15000 a one off gun, that is a very clever manufacturer the customer is king in their eyes.

 

[ehb102]

Has he forgotten about Caroline Povey who still uses an MK38, 

Can't comment about what Caz is actually using in competition but I do know that recently she has give a home to the Perazzi that previously belonged to Anita North. 

 

[Jan Powell]

Yes, a foolish comment. Gamba's are cracking OT guns still shot by many. Krieghoff are successfully creeping into this market too.

 

[Jan Powell]

To be honest, his gun reviews are a waste of time. In years of reading them i've never seen him write a bad review yet!

 

[Les53]

The likes of Browning don't appear to be interested though!

I have long wondered why Browning seem to have lost interest in OT shooters! They have basically left the door wide open for Perazzi and Beretta. Let's face it, it's no that long ago that Ian Peel won his Olympic silver, but they seem to have stopped promoting their products to the top trap boys and to the rest of us mere mortals. Most of us old timers can remember all the wins that happened in trap, by shooters using Brownings/Mirokus. It is common knowledge that the real top trap boys are given guns and sponsorship by the likes of Perazzi and Beretta, but nobody seems to know why Browning has not joined in.

 

[Les53]

To be honest, his gun reviews are a waste of time. In years of reading them i've never seen him write a bad review yet!

Have you ever seen a bad gun review? I can't remember ever seeing a BAD one as such!!! :biggrin:

 

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These guns are obviously very good but If you aspire to be top of the tree in a discipline that's shall we say "head" heavy then I can see where the statement comes from. If you believe the equipment you have is right then your ahead of the game. Having said that the man behind the gun is the key! The way I see it the stage has been set by Perazzi they have every, or nearly, shooter believing that there is something mercurial about their guns, and to change that situation another gun maker is going to have to persuade the very top shooters to user their gun to win many titles that is the only way the equilibrium will shift. The likes of Browning don't appear to be interested though!

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Also how accommodating are Perazzi you can visit their factory and have a gun made especially for you for I believe less than £15000 a one off gun, that is a very clever manufacturer the customer is king in their eyes.

Bit more to it than that i am afraid.

I shot MK38 Miroku for 20 years and still do when i fancy it. Won plenty with it including a Europeans....so the price make etc does not bother me, have several different guns in the locker and had Gambas,Kreigs, even a Classic Doubles.

Nope i changed to Perazzi for one main reason - the very fast trigger pulls....I have found that out of all my guns i prefer them the best....plus the special light MX8L barrels. I did not pay the earth either for what is now my main competition gun.... £1995 in 2010 (just checked the bill)....so please do not get distracted by lots of rubbish spoken. MX8 is a main work horse for Perazzi and you can still pick them up around £2K if you know where to look (I could have had one last Wednesday for that).

Guns are all personal to 'you' and what you like. Don't be put off by anyone ..make your own decision. For instance I would not have any Beretta in my stable....i just have never liked them. Ed will be the same for Kreigs....as he likes them for how he shoots. 

The main thing is 'don't be a sheep'....shoot what suits you and try to find it cheap as you can if the condition is right.

As for Perazzi.....anyone can go there. I went when i was having a new stock done for 2 Mirokus ...further up the Val Trompia valley (Essiiiiiii's) and i just knocked on the door for a nosey around whilst killing time. Great shop...bought a skeet vest.....pinged away on their simulator....had a walk around and a chat to Mauro......cups of coffee whilst looking at all the fab history they have framed on the wall....then buggered off to pick up my Mirky. 

Following year i found....'the perfect gun'.......'for me'.......not won as much with it yet.....but i know it is there :smile: waiting to come out.....I am the one holding it back :laugh:

 

[jwpzx9r]

Bit more to it than that i am afraid.

I shot MK38 Miroku for 20 years and still do when i fancy it. Won plenty with it including a Europeans....so the price make etc does not bother me, have several different guns in the locker and had Gambas,Kreigs, even a Classic Doubles.

Nope i changed to Perazzi for one main reason - the very fast trigger pulls....I have found that out of all my guns i prefer them the best....plus the special light MX8L barrels. I did not pay the earth either for what is now my main competition gun.... £1995 in 2010 (just checked the bill)....so please do not get distracted by lots of rubbish spoken. MX8 is a main work horse for Perazzi and you can still pick them up around £2K if you know where to look (I could have had one last Wednesday for that).

Guns are all personal to 'you' and what you like. Don't be put off by anyone ..make your own decision. For instance I would not have any Beretta in my stable....i just have never liked them. Ed will be the same for Kreigs....as he likes them for how he shoots. 

The main thing is 'don't be a sheep'....shoot what suits you and try to find it cheap as you can if the condition is right.

As for Perazzi.....anyone can go there. I went when i was having a new stock done for 2 Mirokus ...further up the Val Trompia valley (Essiiiiiii's) and i just knocked on the door for a nosey around whilst killing time. Great shop...bought a skeet vest.....pinged away on their simulator....had a walk around and a chat to Mauro......cups of coffee whilst looking at all the fab history they have framed on the wall....then buggered off to pick up my Mirky. 

Following year i found....'the perfect gun'.......'for me'.......not won as much with it yet.....but i know it is there :smile: waiting to come out.....I am the one holding it back :laugh:

Thanks for the insight it was very interesting but what has any of that got to do with my post? Nowhere have I mentioned any of the blurb to which you refer. The point I was making is that shooting IS a head game and it IS set by propensity to use the established gear and that is natural. When  A for instance is shooting glasses. Most shooters could use the bottoms off a cheap Chardonnay and it would matter not a jot but the feel compelled to pay €400+ on the in vogue latest specs just because the top boys wear them! You are quite obviously a top shooter you must know the need for a head doctor David Kostelecký does!

 

[Les53]

Following year i found....'the perfect gun'.......'for me'.......not won as much with it yet.....but i know it is there :smile: waiting to come out.....I am the one holding it back :laugh:

Nic, I found "the perfect gun"......more times than I care to think about! :banghead:  These days I'm happy to shoot with guns that "feel right" and that I know I can hit decent scores with, but if I shoot sh*te, I KNOW it's me, not the gun or the shells! My high scoring days are gone I guess, I don't practice enough and my reflexes are not as good as they were in the old days, but I still have fun and that to me is the most important thing after safety! :biggrin:

 

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Nic, I found "the perfect gun"......more times than I care to think about! :banghead:  These days I'm happy to shoot with guns that "feel right" and that I know I can hit decent scores with, but if I shoot sh*te, I KNOW it's me, not the gun or the shells! My high scoring days are gone I guess, I don't practice enough and my reflexes are not as good as they were in the old days, but I still have fun and that to me is the most important thing after safety! :biggrin:

Yes i agree....but in 28 years I have never found what i considered the perfect gun......until now...... (and i have other Perazzis)...so i am being very specific with my assessment of the perfect gun. :smile:

 

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The way I see it the stage has been set by Perazzi they have every, or nearly, shooter believing that there is something mercurial about their guns, and to change that situation another gun maker is going to have to persuade the very top shooters to user their gun to win many titles that is the only way the equilibrium will shift. The likes of Browning don't appear to be interested though!

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Also how accommodating are Perazzi you can visit their factory and have a gun made especially for you for I believe less than £15000 a one off gun, that is a very clever manufacturer the customer is king in their eyes.

Sorry for the 'blurb' but i thought i was answering your question. My bad :laugh:

 

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Bit more to it than that i am afraid.

Thanks for the insight it was very interesting but what has any of that got to do with my post? Nowhere have I mentioned any of the blurb to which you refer. The point I was making is that shooting IS a head game and it IS set by propensity to use the established gear and that is natural. When  A for instance is shooting glasses. Most shooters could use the bottoms off a cheap Chardonnay and it would matter not a jot but the feel compelled to pay €400+ on the in vogue latest specs just because the top boys wear them! You are quite obviously a top shooter you must know the need for a head doctor David Kostelecký does!

Yes it is essential to have the head in control....without that ...you will not win..

David is a cracking shot...and had the lessons booked with him for Nutty......unfortunately he had a car accident and could not get to UK. He will be coming again about September time so finger crossed to see how he coaches. He did invite us to have a free lesson at his place in Czech Republic because of the twice cancelled UK dates but no time between now and Sept sadly. Some of the others have taken him up on the offer because there is a OT competition that same week. Kill two birds with one stone.

As for glasses....yes here in the UK....but in countries where they have perfect light....most do not wear them.

P.s. For trap...cheap as chips glasses are not really what you want because the clarity of the lense is dodgey.....but i am sure our very own Ed Lyons can answer you better on that than i can. The important thing is you have to be able to see quickly without distortions.

Hope that answers your question  even if it is a bit lengthy.

 

[ips]

Nic, I found "the perfect gun"......more times than I care to think about! :banghead:

Every time I buy one its perfect for about a week and as soon as I have a poor day its rubbish     at least that is how it used to be after many wasted years I am now of the opinion than on a good day you will shoot well with anything that fits and on a bad day you will shoot sh*te with anything. That is why I warn people like the OP about chasing the holly grail so they do not waste there time and money. But as I say there is nothing wrong with a change but it depends on your reason, if your reason is because you like a certain model or have aspired too it then go ahead your dealer will love you. If however you change because you want to increase your scores then unless there is something fundamentally wrong with the one you have you are on a slippery slope. Only my experience of course and I am sure many people have bought a new gun and seen scores increase but is it because of or in spite of.

 

[ips]

P.s. For trap...cheap as chips glasses are not really what you want because the clarity of the lense is dodgey.....

Agree with Nic if there is one single thing in life were you get what you pay for lens's are it, be it on a scope or specs.

 

[Les53]

Every time I buy one its perfect for about a week and as soon as I have a poor day its rubbish     at least that is how it used to be after many wasted years I am now of the opinion than on a good day you will shoot well with anything that fits and on a bad day you will shoot sh*te with anything. That is why I warn people like the OP about chasing the holly grail so they do not waste there time and money. But as I say there is nothing wrong with a change but it depends on your reason, if your reason is because you like a certain model or have aspired too it then go ahead your dealer will love you. If however you change because you want to increase your scores then unless there is something fundamentally wrong with the one you have you are on a slippery slope. Only my experience of course and I am sure many people have bought a new gun and seen scores increase but is it because of or in spite of.

My best ever OT score was with a bog standard grd5 MK38 32 inch, I shot a 96 a Bisley with it. So two weeks later.....I sold it and bought a DT10!!!!! OK I shot the DT10 well enough, but I never did manage to get another 96 though! So why did I do it?  Well I just fell in love with that DT10, even though it didn't fit me and I had to have shed loads of work done to it so that I could shoot it properly. What I did in fact, was to have the DT10 altered so that the stock fitted like the MK38, I also had the triggers altered and had a mid bead fitted too, I should have kept the MK38 of course!!!

 

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Les

What a burke

I rest my case selling guns is a bad idea