midland game fair

[Doveridge Shotgun Academy]

Lead Head,

I find that very shocking if what you say is correct.

Clive Bramley of Doveridge Clay Shooting has the clayshooting franchise at Weston Park .

Surely the prize fund is payable from the number of entries bought not the number of cards returned?

I would like to set the record straight before I end up having to issue solicitor letters to everyone accusing us of various things that is not true.

In our 1st year we gave away £12,000 in cash which was guaranteed to help try and get shooters back to the World Series. Most of this money was donated by Doveridge Shotgun Academy due to the entries still being fairly low. In the 2nd year with some sponsorship and cash we gave away a total of £10,000 and this year we have given away £11,000...In the 3 years i have done this Mitsubishi have given away a car each year worth about £20k. I have secured sponsorship of guns, clothing and cartridges over the years I have ran this.

Prize money at all shows has been a guaranteed £100 High Gun in every CPSA lettered Class on EVERY DAY. The rest of the prize money in the class is taken from the amount of cards purchased and is put in to the prize fund (As done at a CPSA Reg Event). This money is given back as cash at the end of the day. We keep records of all winners and the money and if not collected on the day we have records. We have given prize money to shooters as much as 1 year after the event. If shooters leave their name and address we have been more than willing to send out cheques to winners.

We give back the same amount of money in to the prize fund from the 1st card or if its a re entry card, even though a re entry card is £18. £2 from every entry goes to help pay for some of the cost for the Grand Final range for the two days. Things like Large Screen, Grandstand, Clays, Staff to run this event, PA System and much much more. Also we gave FOC Show Entry tickets to all 100 finalists and then all shooters who had qualified for day two we also gave FOC Tickets worth about £2500.

Doveridge Shotgun Academy has also help shooters by providing Discounted shooters packages on line to help reduce the amount of money to enter the show and also to reduce the amount of the competition card.

I would perosnally like to thank all the shooters who have supported the series. I would also like to thank all the staff, Mitsubishi Motors, Hull Cartridge, Promatic, JCB who have helped to make this competition happen.

Without these companies supporting events we would not have competitons of this size.

False comments on forums like this does not help the sport one bit.. As mentioned in other posts the best way is to write direct to the organiser or speak to them to express your comments or complaints and then they can be discussed.

Putting false comments on here without actual fact is very risky legally. I have posted replies to some of the posts and hope to do the others soon.

I have seen apologies from some people already... many thanks for admitting you were wrong. Some comments have been noted and will be implementedby us next year. For instance if we run the Clubman again we would have a seperate sporting course.

Doveridge Shotgun Academy is here to help shooting and promote our sport. I am trying to secure for money and prizes for next year. We got an additional £1000 for a 50 staright this year... hope to get more prizes for everyone next year.

 

[Doveridge Shotgun Academy]

I can tell this is a bit of a sore point.I will be shooting the intercounties at Doveridge on sunday and will make a point of asking those concerned in running the shoot at the mgf,if the payout structure was based on cards returned. I can understand the need to generate income when the rewards are so high (ie first prize 20 k truck) etc, but I personaly think they are taking the piss. Its a pitty that big shoots with a good prize structure are few and far between these days. There must be some ground owners or manufactures out there, that can put on a good shoot with some atmosphere and a good prize structure like the old Winchester knock out,Browning masters, or the white gold cup used to be. ( I know what your thinking. How old is this pratt)

Thanks for apology below. If you have comments and recommendations please speak to me direct. I will take them to the end of year meeting when we discuss next years format. They will be taken and discussed.

This year we secured the additional £1000 cash for 50 straights, we guaranteed £100 High Gun in Every Class Every Day at Every Show also paying back against the amount of cards purchased in the 2nd, 3rd..... and so on.. We also secured cartridges for prizes at every show. The only thing I believe we could try to get is a runners up prize for the overall Mits Grand Finalist. I will try agin this year to get something. The series qualifers have every year had larger entries.

The handicap is fair for AA and A and the system makes sure that a B or C will definatly have a chance in the final round to win the car.

 

[Hamster]

The handicap is fair for AA and A and the system makes sure that a B or C will definatly have a chance in the final round to win the car.

Always wondered why that is, can't think of any other competitive sport where the less skilful are artificially helped along to win the top prize.

 

[Darkside]

Always wondered why that is, can't think of any other competitive sport where the less skilful are artificially helped along to win the top prize.

Golf. The biggest participant sport in the world!!!

Doveridge must be doing something right to get such a huge entry..........sounds like they were a victim of there own success this year......

 

[Doveridge Shotgun Academy]

What about this little nugget I found out about today then boys and girls. I wasnt going to winge on about the game fair, and being as old as a conker tree now, I should have known better than to go and shoot it in the first place. But being local and having a free pass I thought, have a couple of goes, get in the final, and win a truck easy peasy. Anyway half way through my second card shooting like a tit I thought to myself f--k this for a game of conkers I`m going home to mum. Picked up all my toys and went. Spoke to a good mate today who went and he tells me the payout for the shoot on both days was based on the number of cards returned to the scorers in the entry tent. Not the cards that were bought on the day. So wtf is that all about then. Both my cards went in the bin for a start. A well known shot from `up north` had 22 cards and returned 3. So the question is. Did Dick Turpin wear a mask or not ? because I never saw anybody wearing one at the shoot.

I think you should speak to your good mate at tell him that he needs to make sure he gets his facts right before spreading incorrect facts. If i find out who your good friend is he will be receiving a solicitors letter asking for a full apology and if I didnt receive it he would be taken to court for this rubbish he is spreading. People like this are bad for the sport. I must thank you for your apology on the other page. Would be nice to get one from you friend....

The person you mention above saying had 22 cards and returned 3 from "up north" again is another massive load of crap. If someone managed to do 22 cards on saturday it would of been a mirracle. We know how many cards people have and no one was even near that amount of entry cards.

I really wish that shooters like yourself had the chance to have a good go at qualifying. In the afternoon it was less busy and you would of been fine. Also I would recommend if you are wanting to qualify why not go to one of the other qualifying shows we have 4 other shows all which are 2 days ? spread around the country.

 

[Doveridge Shotgun Academy]

Probably the same outfit that ran one at the Newark Shooting show last year. I shot 14 out of 15 on the pool shoot missing the last bird(Ooops) but felt quite good thas poss no one would straight it. Went back at the end of the day and lucky me know one did!!!!

...................Unlucky me, somone else shot a 14 but missed the first bird out and had been paid the money and left. When I asked for an explenation I was told I lost on countback as if you counted back from bird 15 I was the first to miss.......Puke!!!!!!!!!explain this can you????

That is bullsh*t!!! Complete bullsh*t and I am afraid I would have had to cause a scene and ruck over tHat!!! 95% of these people who run this shows are just greedy thieving bastards!

Doveridge Shotgun Academy is not a "thieivng bastard", far from it. We have donated thousand of pounds to this world series for the shooters out of my own pocket. So dont wish to be called this. We have also invested huge amounts of money in to equipment to run these events. If we continue to run these events we again will be giving back to the shooter more and more in prizes..which is very difficult to achieve the way the financial climet is at the moment.

 

[Doveridge Shotgun Academy]

Countback is used in small-bore rifle target shooting in the event of a tie when in the circmstances there cannot be a tie shoot for whatever reason. In a dewar match with shooting at both 50m and 100 yards the competitor with the best score at the longer distance wins. If they have equal scores at both distances then countback comes into play with the best score on the last target or if that s tied the one before and so on. In America they use the X count which is the number of inner bulls scored.

You all wanted to know that didn't you!

Sorry Mark no consolation to you

Doveridge Shotgun Academy has never used count back. Count back has been used in olympic events and i do disagree with it totally. I was equal 7th with 122x125 in Chilie i missed one the first round then shot 75 straight and then missed two in the last round. Due to that I end up about 14th.

 

[TobyM]

Phew, blimey!

I need some popcorn.

 

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Tobi you do not need popcorn if someone is explaining fact as opposed to fiction.

If people are posting incorrect bollocks on here (my mate said X,Y,Z so it must be true) then the person who knows the truth should be afforded the right to reply.

Well done Clive in clarifying the facts.

And yes .....I hate count back too.

 

[EdSolomons]

Well done Doveridge in coming on and sticking up some facts.

Top work.

 

[Hamster]

Golf. The biggest participant sport in the world!!!

My knowledge of Golf is fairly rudimentary but can't recall the last time a 15 handicapper won half a million quid which is the equivalent of a B/C class shooter winning a £20k car. I know they have their handicap system the same as ours but how does that allow them to win the Sandwich Open?

 

[RobertBeard]

I think the money is in the Pro game as distinct from the Amateur game.

 

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Well is suppose the clue might be in the word 'handicap'.

Nothing wrong in my opinion of a C or D class shooter winning a car if they have shot well to their handicap.

Hahahahahahahaha!!

 

[Hamster]

I think the money is in the Pro game as distinct from the Amateur game.

That's what I thought, so effectively if you're no good you can't compete with the big boys for the big prizes. :wink:

 

[TobyM]

Tobi you do not need popcorn if someone is explaining fact as opposed to fiction.

Popcorn is versatile! Can be used in all sorts of situations

 

[RobertBeard]

I expect this has arisen because golf is now so popular that the entry list would require months and months of preliminary knockout matches before they got to the final.

In the Pro tournaments handicaps are not used as everybody plays off scratch i.e. 0

 

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Popcorn is versatile! Can be used in all sorts of situations

I agree and like popcorn.....so peeps be aware....popcorn does not always mean that you are bored

 

[RobertBeard]

Nothing wrong in my opinion of a C or D class shooter winning a car if they have shot well to their handicap.

Trouble is that a lot of people fiddle their handicaps so that they are higher than they really should be and this gives them extra shots and an advantage in competition

 

[jasper]

Finally someone who reads the rules. They have not been changed for many years. They are not only on the website they are on every entry form. Also clearly on the notice board at the Midland.

I take offense of being called a "muppet" and request an apology from Jasper - Jason Taylor Please......

I apologise for the use of the term muppet , and commend you for your responses on this forum . the midland is a superb opportunity for shooting and sometimes we shooters feel a little let down . thats all . I m sure you will do your utmost to improve the mitsubishi and all your other enterprises. while we on the subject , enjoyed the west mids intercounties the other week ..

regards

jason 'jasper' taylor

 

[Salopian]

Wow! That's another fine mess that you've caused Lead Head, but at least Clive has set the record straight.

Also Steve was big enough to apologise once he knew the facts. I of course have no problem in apologising over my confusion over the age of a a Junior. It is just the different rules that are cause for confusion. How can a junior be a junior according to the sports recognised governing association and then not a junior for a competition? Simple, because rules are rules and we must all read them and know them.