OT Selection Shoot Nuthampstead

[Mutley]

The EO was over the 125,  I know that after the final, 1st  3 were in the order of Araan Heading, gold, Ed Ling Silver and Andrew Addison Bronze

 

[Paul120]

The EO was over the 125,  I know that after the final, 1st  3 were in the order of Araan Heading, gold, Ed Ling Silver and Andrew Addison Bronze

Thanks.. well done to those thatade the final.  After that though the present  finals are stupid. .. just a bloody lottery imo.

 

[PhilR]

The EO was over the 125,  I know that after the final, 1st  3 were in the order of Araan Heading, gold, Ed Ling Silver and Andrew Addison Bronze

Mark Evans from Wales was the 4th finalist.

 

[Andrew.Addison]

It was a good shoot. Targets are definitely not as bad as they used to be down there. I do love the new clays, always look great when you hit them with the centre of the pattern. 

 

[Dog Tyred]

 A bit drawn out on Sunday with only two layouts being used for 16 squads. 3 3/4hours between rounds was a bit of a drag !

I understand why they did it but a bit galling seeing two layouts sitting idle.

Otherwise I think the whole shoot ran really well, especially for such a large entry, with no breakdowns and most peeps turning up at the layouts on time.

Well done to the team at Nutty  and congrats to all the winners.

DT

 

[paul b]

Would of been nice to have a pool shoot to play on while waiting instead of getting bored rigid.

 

[Andrew.Addison]

I think part of the reason they run the shoots like that is because first and foremost they are a GBR selection shoot with an EO and England Selection tacked onto them. So with that in mind they have people who are actively wanting to get a place on the GBR squad. 18 squads of men and 6 squads of ladies is quite short of what they would experience at a world cup should they make the team there could be anywhere from 20-25 squads of men and 10-12 squads of ladies all shooting across 4 layouts (usually run 50/75 for men since it is easier to manage) and even with all the layouts running at the one time you will STILL have a 2-3 hour wait between rounds at a world cup because of the sheer volume of people to get through. All they are doing is giving people in the running for team places a bit of side training on how to manage the wait and keep focused for the next rounds, that's how I see it anyway. 

 

[Dog Tyred]

I think part of the reason they run the shoots like that is because first and foremost they are a GBR selection shoot with an EO and England Selection tacked onto them. So with that in mind they have people who are actively wanting to get a place on the GBR squad. 18 squads of men and 6 squads of ladies is quite short of what they would experience at a world cup should they make the team there could be anywhere from 20-25 squads of men and 10-12 squads of ladies all shooting across 4 layouts (usually run 50/75 for men since it is easier to manage) and even with all the layouts running at the one time you will STILL have a 2-3 hour wait between rounds at a world cup because of the sheer volume of people to get through. All they are doing is giving people in the running for team places a bit of side training on how to manage the wait and keep focused for the next rounds, that's how I see it anyway. 

​I appreciate why they did it Andrew but some would argue is it really fair to set up a shoot for the benefit of say 12>15 potential squad members, at the expense of everybody else, 90% of which have little or no chance of selection to the GB squad ?

Going by the high entry it would seem so but be interesting to see how many entries they get for Bisley on the same format?

DT

 

[Andrew.Addison]

I'm not so sure the entry will be any different since it is the also the British Open so people will enter for the championship and not the selection. 

 

[Dog Tyred]

 

Fair point!

DT

 

[Andrew.Addison]

Fair point!

DT

​The only thing I can say is that entries may be down slightly due to the battering some people took at Nutty this weekend. Even some of the top lot were struggling and there were some new faces that I seen there that took quite a pasting which is unfortunate. It has never been an easy place to shoot really but all good practise. 

 

[Paul120]

​The only thing I can say is that entries may be down slightly due to the battering some people took at Nutty this weekend. Even some of the top lot were struggling and there were some new faces that I seen there that took quite a pasting which is unfortunate. It has never been an easy place to shoot really but all good practise. 

There are also people hoping for England places, the first shoot is always busy as it's a New year and this year a lot pf hopefulls will have thought... If I can just put together some decent scores I can make the team this year, especially as the HI is in Ireland and no one else will want to travel so far.

After reality has hit, I suspect numbers will as usual drop off..

Wish OT had a bigger following in this country.  If  peole gave it proper attention rather than just blindly dismissing it, they woild see ghat nothing comes close to the challenge it presents. Imo.

Ooops..can of worms.. (please be kind.. I'm not dissing hedge monkeying as I like that too) 

 

[paul b]

There are also people hoping for England places, the first shoot is always busy as it's a New year and this year a lot pf hopefulls will have thought... If I can just put together some decent scores I can make the team this year, especially as the HI is in Ireland and no one else will want to travel so far.

After reality has hit, I suspect numbers will as usual drop off..

Wish OT had a bigger following in this country.  If  peole gave it proper attention rather than just blindly dismissing it, they woild see ghat nothing comes close to the challenge it presents. Imo.

Ooops..can of worms.. (please be kind.. I'm not dissing hedge monkeying as I like that too) 

​I don't mind shooting it and like the pressure it creates while on the line,but everything that goes with it,like high entry fees,waiting around all day to shoot a few targets,people hiding away"getting in the zone" and not speaking and only a few grounds miles apart,all adds up to it being very expensive and unattractive.    

For most of us shooting is a hobby and will never be a job so entertain us. 

 

[Andrew.Addison]

There are also people hoping for England places, the first shoot is always busy as it's a New year and this year a lot pf hopefulls will have thought... If I can just put together some decent scores I can make the team this year, especially as the HI is in Ireland and no one else will want to travel so far.

After reality has hit, I suspect numbers will as usual drop off..

Wish OT had a bigger following in this country.  If  peole gave it proper attention rather than just blindly dismissing it, they woild see ghat nothing comes close to the challenge it presents. Imo.

Ooops..can of worms.. (please be kind.. I'm not dissing hedge monkeying as I like that too) 

​It is a bit of a pain for England with the selection process. I have the issue of not being able to shoot in any of the "required" area championships that Scotland need so therefore will likely miss out on being eligible to shoot for Scotland this year. 

 

[ips]

​I don't mind shooting it and like the pressure it creates while on the line,but everything that goes with it,like high entry fees,waiting around all day to shoot a few targets,people hiding away"getting in the zone" and not speaking and only a few grounds miles apart,all adds up to it being very expensive and unattractive.    

For most of us shooting is a hobby and will never be a job so entertain us. 

OT is exactly what it says on the tin an Olympic discipline therefore it stands to reason that it will be taken seriously by the majority that choose to enter the competitive pit. With the greatest of respect if it's entertainment that anyone requires then other disciplines are available.

Personally I am there to shoot and to shoot as well as I can I therefore have no interest in socialising to any great degree until it's over. From what I have read on previous posts on here this is a difficult concept for some to grasp. 

Note.

The above is a general comment not a direct reply or aimed at Paul. 

 

[paul b]

Ips no problem with any opinions weather aimed at me or not(my shoulders are big enough) what we mumble on here are just opinians.

Being serious and wanting to do your best only happens on the peg,anyone that thinks they can keep totally focused all day is kidding themselves.The best sports men/women turn it on when needed and relax when not needed.Different people relax in different ways eg listening to there I pod things or sat in the motor listening to the wireless or maybe playing on a pool shoot or having a laugh and fluffy rabbits with others.      

 

[ips]

Agree Paul many ways to focus and yes virtually impossible to sustain. I notice a few young sorts with I pod things in lug holes listening to dolphin or whale recordings I bet

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I think part of the reason they run the shoots like that is because first and foremost they are a GBR selection shoot with an EO and England Selection tacked onto them. So with that in mind they have people who are actively wanting to get a place on the GBR squad. 18 squads of men and 6 squads of ladies is quite short of what they would experience at a world cup should they make the team there could be anywhere from 20-25 squads of men and 10-12 squads of ladies all shooting across 4 layouts (usually run 50/75 for men since it is easier to manage) and even with all the layouts running at the one time you will STILL have a 2-3 hour wait between rounds at a world cup because of the sheer volume of people to get through. All they are doing is giving people in the running for team places a bit of side training on how to manage the wait and keep focused for the next rounds, that's how I see it anyway. 

​I of course have no dog in this fight but the above comment is to me pure BS.  It is the responsibility of the organizers to run an efficient event that penalizes no one by virtue of squading - certainly not possible when hours pass between shooting.  Sounds to me as tho the organizers were more motivated by reducing expenses than providing the optimum environment for a competition of this importance.  I have to admit that frustration tolerance challenged as I am I would have not been happy AT ALL seeing mobs of shooters waiting and two layouts sitting idle.  Would that be some side training as well - dealing with being righteously pissed off with the organization and officials?

"I don't mind shooting it and like the pressure it creates while on the line,but everything that goes with it,like high entry fees,waiting around all day to shoot a few targets,people hiding away"getting in the zone" and not speaking and only a few grounds miles apart,all adds up to it being very expensive and unattractive."

And here is a direct and simple assessment of the situation.  If you want to promote a game then you are obligated to make it an experience that people will look forward to doing again.  What Paul B says doesn't impress me as tho he has been party to an experience that would motivate him to get fired up to any degree.  How many others have been there and DIDN'T come back?

For most of us shooting is a hobby and will never be a job so entertain us. "  Or at lest allow us to focus on the challenges of the game and not those of the grounds or organizers.

JMO of course, but  ................................

 

[ips]

I wasn't there but long waits for trap shoots are common in blighty Charlie so nothing out of the ordinary. A 100 bird comp is a full day of a job pretty much anywere you shoot. 

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Ian, I can appreciate that some facilities simply impose those conditions as a matter of necessity as in only one or a couple layouts.  Having mobs standing around and two layouts idle is nothing less than inexcusable and inept (or greedy) management.

again, JMO but I feel your pain