Your on with that one ips, I was forced to endure one of their wonderful breakfasts on Wednesday and I am at present trying to negotiate a weekly price for same, just the 3 hour round trip to get over ! :smile:I would have caddied your gun for you had I been there. Why don't you come one sat ?
I will even buy you a cuppa
Pain in the neck.
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Well Guy's the comeback has begun. After trying some 15 or so shots with the 28bore and 16 grams around 4 weeks ago, I felt up to trying the 20 bore. I went to the local ground 2 weeks ago and just kept it to 25. On various targets, skeet, high and low towers and a few compak, I managed a 19/25 so was over the moon. However I came down to earth with a bump on Sunday, I did the 50 bird sporter, again at the local club. 33/50 BUT the weather was atrocious. Today an 18 on skeet (forgot how easy it is to stop a 6lbs. gun !) and around 16/17 ex 25 on various sporting targets including the 2 towers. After each session the shoulder has been a bit sore, but more by the height of my right elbow when shooting, rather than a recoil issue. So keep doing the excercises and hope to be able to shoot the auto in the not too distant future, meanwhile I have 2 game days this month, so the 20 will have a good workout.
Interesting topic this one, it demonstrates how GP's and some Physios deal with neck/shoulder pain in various ways. Having gone through this myself I know how frustrating it can be and also how long it can take to get on top of. In my case my neck pain was being caused by 2 things, acute RSI, both left and right arms had TE and GE and my C4 vertebrae is worn and damaged and is pressing on the spinal cord. I have had the MRI and conductive tests and it was these that proved the C4 injury was not causing the pains in the arms BUT might be causing the pins and needles in the fingers.
Having been referred to a neurosurgeon to look at the C4 injury his advice was, it was not caused by shooting but is degenerative and caused by age, his advice was to manage the injury and suggested physio as a good starting point. So 8 sessions in, after explaining everything in details I can now shoot again, the physio and sports injury masseur have worked in unison and I am now much better, still not 100% but not far off. Using a combination of acupuncture, dry needling, spine manipulation and deep tissue work has finally got me moving again and more importantly shooting again. So, go see a specialist and see a good physio, might take a few sessions but it is definitely worth it in the end...
Having been referred to a neurosurgeon to look at the C4 injury his advice was, it was not caused by shooting but is degenerative and caused by age, his advice was to manage the injury and suggested physio as a good starting point. So 8 sessions in, after explaining everything in details I can now shoot again, the physio and sports injury masseur have worked in unison and I am now much better, still not 100% but not far off. Using a combination of acupuncture, dry needling, spine manipulation and deep tissue work has finally got me moving again and more importantly shooting again. So, go see a specialist and see a good physio, might take a few sessions but it is definitely worth it in the end...
RobertBeard
Moderator
In my case surgery was a last resort, having had nearly 2 years of physio and injections. I could feel the shoulder joint grating when I rotated the elbow and eventually, after a house move which involved a lot of lifting, carrying, and crawling under floorboards to fix the heating, I was in agony and unable to lift my gun. After signing on at a new GP's surgery, I found myself on the operating table within a month. Suffice it to say that I am now well on the mend but it is taking a long time to get back to full fitness. I have kept up with the exercises as advised, but on Wednesday just lifting a half sack of spuds out of the car boot, saw me up half of the night in agony. Still the BBC has been showing the darts championships until 4.00am. I have just started some shooting again, using my 20 bore (not because of recoil but it's 6lbs. weight), not my first choice gun for clays, but it beats the hell out of holding the coats ! My first real shooting since last April. I shoot with a GP (NO not the Greener) and he has ensured that I have not overdone things, although he has said it can take up to 12 months for things to get back to 'normal, so just have to keep plodding on. Even driving had become a chore and I was frequently having to rest my right elbow on the door armrest, not something I find easy to do. It will be 15 weeks on Saturday and I am still unable to do a lot of what I took for granted.
David Paul Gag
Well-known member
Guday again Westley and all
Not been on this subject for a while.
thought I would let you and the furum know how I've progressed since my Op last January
we all tend to struggle on with injury's over many years before we commit to surgery and maybe because of this we stain and do other damage to bones and ligerments that were previously ok before the injury
After my Op I never shot or did anything not even any phyiso for 6 month but did start shooting a little in June last year with my semi auto and soon felt comfortable using my o/u
After over a year now and still not even doing phyiso as instructed by my surgeon
Buy the way he never mentioned not Shooting as I never asked him ?ha'ha.
I cannot recall my arms/shoulder's ever feeling better than thay do now.
Which coincidentally as coinsided with a marked improvement in my shooting
It may take longer than we had wished but the wait will be worth it ☺
Sorry for the bad spelling
Dave
Thanks for that Dave, I have had a few outings with the 20 bore and 21 grams, but have restricted it to around the 25 mark. I am unable to lift a 12 bore for more than 3 or 4 shots at present, and then pay for it over the following few days. I am still attending at the hospital for physio, roughly every 3 weeks and then just do my 'homework' in between. I am hoping to get fit enough to shoot at Hodnet in March, using my auto. Then of course, I have my fishing starting in April
At present, if it was suggested to have the same operation on the other shoulder, I may well be telling them to Foxtrot Oscar !!!!!
Santa2512
Well-known member
At least you had the option for an op
3 years after fracturing my C5, and compressing my spinal cord due to a squashed disc, I still suffer from pain in my hands / arms.
Painkillers, Physio and needles have all helped, but it is now what it is.
I have the mobility in my neck, and can shoot and lift and lead a relativly normal life, but have extreme sensitivity in the hands that comes and goes.
Pins and needles, numbness and untouchable pain in the arms / hands are a regular thing.
On the plus side, it could have been worse, and i could have been in a wheelchair for the rest of my life.
:santa:
3 years after fracturing my C5, and compressing my spinal cord due to a squashed disc, I still suffer from pain in my hands / arms.
Painkillers, Physio and needles have all helped, but it is now what it is.
I have the mobility in my neck, and can shoot and lift and lead a relativly normal life, but have extreme sensitivity in the hands that comes and goes.
Pins and needles, numbness and untouchable pain in the arms / hands are a regular thing.
On the plus side, it could have been worse, and i could have been in a wheelchair for the rest of my life.
:santa:
At least you had the option for an op
3 years after fracturing my C5, and compressing my spinal cord due to a squashed disc, I still suffer from pain in my hands / arms.
Painkillers, Physio and needles have all helped, but it is now what it is.
I have the mobility in my neck, and can shoot and lift and lead a relativly normal life, but have extreme sensitivity in the hands that comes and goes.
Pins and needles, numbness and untouchable pain in the arms / hands are a regular thing.
On the plus side, it could have been worse, and i could have been in a wheelchair for the rest of my life.
:santa:
Santa,
Wasn't a C5 one of them Sinclair thingies, no wonder it crashed !
I really was left with no option but to have the operation, it had reached a stage where I was sitting in the chair all night, unable to lay down due to the pain. I was led to believe that it was a simple procedure and I would be back lumberjacking within a month. This should have rung alarm bells, as I was not a lumberjack before the op ? I find it extremely hard not to keep aggravating the injury. I will just reach out my right arm to lift something and WHAM, the pain is excruciating, but then it will last for a couple of days before settling down again. It is almost 6 months now since the op. and as Dave has pointed out he is only just getting to normal after 12 months, so I have a ways to go yet. I am trying to reduce the pain relief tablets and only take them if they are really required, problem is I will wake up around 2.00am and the pain is unbearable, probably due to my twisting the shoulder in my sleep. Anyway I will take a couple of tablets and then sit there for an hour or so, until they start to work. This will occur several nights a week and it gets a bit weary after a while. I never realised that there was so much carp on nightime TV . :mellow:
Well, possibly a final update, I was written off by the physio department at Hospital today. It was more a case of do not ring us..................we'll ring you !
I admit to having some 80% use now, but it will catch me out reaching upwards or outwards with my right hand, in order to pick something up. I am trying to do 15 minutes a day with my Beretta 303, raising and lowering to and from my shoulder. I will be attempting the local 50 birder next week, with the same gun, and dependant on that, will decide to do 2 rounds the week after, AND then............................Hodnet ! :blink: I feel sure that a report from that will appear within these pages, if not from me ! Once again, I would thank you all for your support and advice, it has been gratefully received.
I admit to having some 80% use now, but it will catch me out reaching upwards or outwards with my right hand, in order to pick something up. I am trying to do 15 minutes a day with my Beretta 303, raising and lowering to and from my shoulder. I will be attempting the local 50 birder next week, with the same gun, and dependant on that, will decide to do 2 rounds the week after, AND then............................Hodnet !
:blink: I feel sure that a report from that will appear within these pages, if not from me ! Once again, I would thank you all for your support and advice, it has been gratefully received.
RobertBeard
Moderator
Well Done Wesley - Take care of it - you don't want to go through it all again which is what I did when I slipped a disc in my back in 2000 and then repeated it in 2014 one vertebrae lower down!
Thanks Robert, I will take your advice when I go to Hodnet, my 'Man' will be carrying my bag.....................................ips just does not know it yet !
Well, just to close this particular thread, I can report that I made Hodnet, 'Cheshire Shield" last Thursday. I was in some pretty impressive company, 2 of the Country's top Trap shooters (that's what they told me ) who were having a career break and shooting some Sporting, my 'Dad' who, turned 80 is still changing guns faster than I change chokes ! Also my good friend and my car service manager (who only gets invited so he can park his Bentley Covertable on my front drive). This Motley Crew made up the team of "Westley's Midnight Runners" (courtesy of Hamster) sponsored by Morrisons Bacon Counter. Upon our arrival we made the most of our sponsorship in the superb Cafe and I checked us in, collecting our scorecards. I was humping my range bag with 100 cartridges in, plus 25 in my pocket. I had researched this Forum and had originally planned to have cartridges in shot sizes, 7, 7 1/2, 8, 8.5, 9, and some 10, not forgetting the 6.5's in case of any fluffy rabbits. As this was my first 100 birder since the op. and not relishing the thought of carting over 175 cartridges around Hodnet, along with 2 cans of Red Bull, 4 banana's, a bottle of 'Sports' drink and various 'energy' bars, I opted for 100 Gamebore 'Gem' thingy's, in 8's, and 1 box of 'World Cups' in 7 1/2 (just in case). The gun was my Beretta 303 auto 28", with an extended Briley I/C in the top barrel, ( just in case anyone is remotely interested !) . So off we went to stand 1. Two of us managed to straight it, with the other 3 close behind. So the day unfolded, hitting a few and most definitely, MISSING a few, of what can only be described as excellent targets. Very little trap issues, with only the occasional 'top up' hold ups. Conveniently placed Porta - Loo's close to the difficult stands, although I had taken the precaution of wearing my brown trousers, just in case. (one has to plan these things, as one gets older). Some 4 hours later and we were approaching the final stand, number 14 which was on the old rifle range area. A right to left looper at about 25 yards and followed by a fast overhead away, quatering slightly left, four pairs. I had done a quick count up before putting the cards in and realised that if I could just straight this one, I would end up with a reasonable score for the first time out. Suffice it to say, Pair Dead, Pair Dead, Pair Dead and then finally Pair......................LOST ! for a total of 73/100. I have to say that I am paying the price and the shoulder is still aching a bit BUT, I would not have missed it for anything. The enjoyment of such a superb day in excellent company, is immeasurable and like Game Shooting, is not to be dependant on what is 'on the floor' at the end. I owe a lot of gratitude to the support and comments offered by you all during the past 6 months or so and accept that there is 'room for improvement' in my shooting ! Thank You.
) who were having a career break and shooting some Sporting, my 'Dad' who, turned 80 is still changing guns faster than I change chokes ! Also my good friend and my car service manager (who only gets invited so he can park his Bentley Covertable on my front drive). This Motley Crew made up the team of "Westley's Midnight Runners" (courtesy of Hamster) sponsored by Morrisons Bacon Counter. Upon our arrival we made the most of our sponsorship in the superb Cafe and I checked us in, collecting our scorecards. I was humping my range bag with 100 cartridges in, plus 25 in my pocket. I had researched this Forum and had originally planned to have cartridges in shot sizes, 7, 7 1/2, 8, 8.5, 9, and some 10, not forgetting the 6.5's in case of any fluffy rabbits. As this was my first 100 birder since the op. and not relishing the thought of carting over 175 cartridges around Hodnet, along with 2 cans of Red Bull, 4 banana's, a bottle of 'Sports' drink and various 'energy' bars, I opted for 100 Gamebore 'Gem' thingy's, in 8's, and 1 box of 'World Cups' in 7 1/2 (just in case). The gun was my Beretta 303 auto 28", with an extended Briley I/C in the top barrel, ( just in case anyone is remotely interested !) . So off we went to stand 1. Two of us managed to straight it, with the other 3 close behind. So the day unfolded, hitting a few and most definitely, MISSING a few, of what can only be described as excellent targets. Very little trap issues, with only the occasional 'top up' hold ups. Conveniently placed Porta - Loo's close to the difficult stands, although I had taken the precaution of wearing my brown trousers, just in case. (one has to plan these things, as one gets older). Some 4 hours later and we were approaching the final stand, number 14 which was on the old rifle range area. A right to left looper at about 25 yards and followed by a fast overhead away, quatering slightly left, four pairs. I had done a quick count up before putting the cards in and realised that if I could just straight this one, I would end up with a reasonable score for the first time out. Suffice it to say, Pair Dead, Pair Dead, Pair Dead and then finally Pair......................LOST ! for a total of 73/100. I have to say that I am paying the price and the shoulder is still aching a bit BUT, I would not have missed it for anything. The enjoyment of such a superb day in excellent company, is immeasurable and like Game Shooting, is not to be dependant on what is 'on the floor' at the end. I owe a lot of gratitude to the support and comments offered by you all during the past 6 months or so and accept that there is 'room for improvement' in my shooting ! Thank You.Oh yes, I remember it well. Well the Wabbit anyway, I believe the right left loopy thing was actually ME !
David Paul Gag
Well-known member
Westley and Guys
How did you feel after the shoot ?
I was also there with a contingent from Leicestershire. lt would have been so nice to put some faces to some names.
I've always found Hodnet tough but set myself a target of trying to get into the 80s.
We started on stand 2 first 3 pairs dead tried to make sure of the final pair and missed them - blanked the crossing driven stand (cannot remember the number )got to stand 14 thought to myself I can do this -but dropped 4 ? finished on 76 very pleased really!
There were lots of people queueing everywhere, but no trap malfunctions and a lovely day .
Will be going to the Essex Wednesday - see how we get on there!
Ps
Be nice to catch up sometime.
Dave
How did you feel after the shoot ?
I was also there with a contingent from Leicestershire. lt would have been so nice to put some faces to some names.
I've always found Hodnet tough but set myself a target of trying to get into the 80s.
We started on stand 2 first 3 pairs dead tried to make sure of the final pair and missed them - blanked the crossing driven stand (cannot remember the number )got to stand 14 thought to myself I can do this -but dropped 4 ? finished on 76 very pleased really!
There were lots of people queueing everywhere, but no trap malfunctions and a lovely day .
Will be going to the Essex Wednesday - see how we get on there!
Ps
Be nice to catch up sometime.
Dave
