Perazzi barrels and choke markings

[Les53]

Beretta seem to use the good old fashioned method of telling you without riddles what finger measurement your tube things are.

but I stress I have no issues with p or any other make or style of gun etc etc and I like all disciplines snd everyone. Oh and no humour was used in this or any other recent post.

just saying to avoid abuse, many thanks

and you forgot to say that no children or animals were harmed during the making of the post.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I had a theory about 3 yrs ago that modern italian barrels patterned 24g better and had discussion with a few trap shooters of note, most agreed and one perazzi efficianado (poss spelling error) confirmed definitevly that he knew for a fact that this was the case and had the info from the horses mouth. Since the 24g trap rule all b and p barells were made specifically for 24g, apparently. There is no doubt in my mind that both my 10s shoot 24 better but still feel like I am missing 4g when shooting abt.

I had a 1968 gun that had 0.038"/0.042" chokes and  0.7235" bores.  With 24gm loads it shot like a rifle.  At 32yds a first barrel 36gm Federal Gold Medal Pigeon would pattern in the mid 90's percentage every shot.

I have to admit right up front that evidence bereft of numbers means nothing to me.  If the current barrels are "tuned" differently the numbers will have to be different.  I suppose a case could be made for differently contoured chokes, BUT the Perazzi screw-in chokes which have consistently shorter lengths and different contours than fixed chokes and perform the same.

Apocryphal evidence is way OK for gossip and marketing.  "Oh, yeah - we make ALL the new barrels specifically for the 24gm loadings!!!"    I'd be just craaaazzy to see some empirical evidence about the barrels.

Actually, I could GAF.  I've got mine and they're totally cool. :nyam:   

 You're on your own.  Besta luck   reved:   

Charlie

 

[ips]

Of course were talking trap barrells charlie so multi is irrelevant. Maybe there is more to regulating barrells than just the last couple of inches.

 

[Les53]

Of course were talking trap barrells charlie so multi is irrelevant. Maybe there is more to regulating barrells than just the last couple of inches.

Barrel regulating is something of a black art I think. It would be a whole lot easier if all manufacturers used the same system for marking up barrels. There is now the issue of overboring to contend with too! Someone told me a few weeks back that if my DT11 barrels were overbored any more it would be an 11 bore! :laugh:

 

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Internal configuration were done for loads at a point in time......nowadays OT is 24grms.....so the internal configuration on a modern gun is to suit........?????

Answers on a postcard please :wink:

 

[jwpzx9r]

Of course were talking trap barrells charlie so multi is irrelevant. Maybe there is more to regulating barrells than just the last couple of inches.

And Michael diamond and Alexi Alipov et.al say that nobody bores a barrel as well as Perazzi ... been saying for quite a wee while now as Nic would say ...just saying

 

[Salopian]

I am sure there is more to regulating barrels than the last few inches.

I have to agree that Perazzi regulation is very good, but Zoli is exceptional and also Guerini.

So harking back to yesteryear when William Ford regulated Greener barrels and many other Brummies including his own, is there a Guiseppe or Gino Fordio working his magic in the Gardone?

 

[ips]

So Pete to clarify are you in the yes camp for modern trap barrels being 24g specific

 

[Salopian]

ips,

Never gave it a lot of thought or research, but if it is like most things with guns it will be based on Bovine excrement.

I would have thought Fred had looked into it though.I once asked him if it was common practice to open up the constriction when using 24gram for Trap, he smiled that smile of his and said he doubted it.But of course times and opinions change so who knows what the future holds for us. Interestingly although overboring ( backboring) is now very popular, Perazzi have seemed to stick with a tight nominal bore on many occasions.

 

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Yes there is a 'lot' of ex talked.

So I will not expand into loyalty prizes made etc etc as people know it all.

Funny how in Tokyo Olympics......someone must have been sat there saying....to anyone who would listen.......hey guys, I bet in 50 years time they will be shooting this with 24grms....!

Bet he would have fitted in really well on here.

:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Wonko the Sane]

This just guessing but I would suspect that really successful OT shooters spend some time getting the chokes done to produce the kind of patterns they feel most comfortable with.  Generally speaking, 24gm loads are higher speed loads and as a consequence require marginally less constriction to produce the same choke effect.  Twirling down thru the #'d screw-in chokes this is very apparent.  You simply don't need more than what would have been a light full - say 0.032" / #8 - a few years ago to make impressive way full patterns, and my casual checks indicate that a #6 (+/-0.024") will produce patterns totally capable of crushing targets from the 27yd line and smoking breaks as a first barrel.

The only "magic" I find in Perazzi barrels is a remarkable consistency in the bore id's with the dial gauge needle not even moving for the length of the tube.  That along with a notable adherence to the 18.4mm bore dimension speaks to a quality control in machining and finishing that is difficult to fault.

JMO of course  

Charlie