move-mount-miss
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What would people think a reasonable time would be for ground owners to hold prize money?
Very nearly agree, obviously indefinitely is not practical but a year isn't beyond the realms of possibility. All sorts of excuses are made why it's such hard work but all it takes is an A4 size note book for each new year, simply write down the winners names on a new date specific page, it'll then take seconds to trace any claims.Indefinitely it's not theirs to give to charity or absorb into their own profit
That's why I was surprised by Southdown last Sunday. Normal reg shoot.If its a championship shoot and there is a tie then you need a shoot-off. Otherwise its add-and-divide. Simple and straightforward.
I agree fully with the first part of your post, too often it seems as though some grounds see it as a chore. I once tied HG and as we were both there and on good terms we agreed to add and divide despite the result, the organiser started TELLING us we couldn't do that :huh: so I just said it's our money we can do what we like (I mean how is he even to know afterwards what we do ?).The three month thing is a con to attempt to not pay it out IMO. I once won £80 at a ground (now closed) and they wouldn't pay because I was over three months collecting (or trying to..). I explained to the guy that I only shot registered shoots, that this was their first registered shoot since the last one four months ago. Also his ground was 100+ mile round trip for me and that I wasn't going to drop by otherwise. He finally gave me £40. I also saw them telling a bloke off for picking up his winnings without entering the shoot. Jeez, it's not their money is it..
I also don't like the concept of losing out because you aren't there for a shoot off. I tied HG at a shoot a while back and got given second place money because I wasn't there for a shoot off at 3pm. I had left at 11.30am, so 3.5 hour wait just in case isn't a great thing IMO. This also happened to my mate who won A at Southdown on Sunday. I say do a shoot off if both are there and want to do it, otherwise add and divide.
If its a registered shoot and not a championship then there is no shoot-off, its add and divide regardless if all the shooters or none of them are present at the prize giving.Regarding the second part it's a bit of a grey area, years ago shoot offs were a given because most shoots were 50 birders and people didn't go from shoot to shoot like many do nowadays so you usually had the winners present. Things are different today as many do 2-3 shoots in a day and I haven't been in a shoot off for years, the tendency is to add and divide but the rules specific to any ground should be prominently displayed because if someone HAS made a point of being present for a shoot off then it's only fair they win by default so long as the ground with such rules does actually make an effort of organising a shoot off stand and not just favour the reggler boy :baby: .
Ian, is this in the rules somewhere? Or just accepted practice?If its a registered shoot and not a championship then there is no shoot-off, its add and divide regardless if all the shooters or none of them are present at the prize giving.
From page 6 of the rule book.Ian, is this in the rules somewhere? Or just accepted practice?
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