Question for ref ?

[Skinny Mike]

"Charlie " was reffing this when I shot it yesterday - & he has got to be one of the most experienced refs going - One chap in front of me tried to shoot 1 pair as crossers & nothing was said ......

 

[maddmatt]

If there is a limit, ie must be addressed as driven and cannot be shot if the target is behind the cage than that must be clearly stated BEFORE you shoot. A ref can pull you up, if, in his/her opinion, the target is being shot in a dangerous manner or there is a chance the way you are shooting could endanger someone else.

The fact he said nothing to anyone else suggests he must have felt where the targets where being shot posed a danger to others, either debris or shot.

 

[ips]

This sporting mallarkey sounds like make it up as you go along.

 

[Harry1]

If you take a look at the video placed on here shows stand one blue course you will get a better idea of what I am talking about but do keep in mind I shoot left handed

 

[DT10 MAL]

As Angelfire and Bryan say use the cage to your advantage, except when.

Any position you take is dangerous to the Ref, shooters, trappers or the general public.

When the Ref points out a restriction, the stand menu advises or there is a visual restriction (as with the second rabbit on the pair on Red, marked by a post)

If the course designer really wants to control how you shoot overheads/driven then a overhead bar on the cage would sort this out, otherwise it's your choice.

When I shot Blue 1, there was a bit of variance on the line of the birds so best shot them overhead/going away.

 

[teepee1234]

I shot them as overheads for the first two pairs and missed!  Then turned sideways to take them as crossers and hit the rest (I'm a right hooker).  There was a leftie on my squad who also shot them as crossers with no comments or issues.  Only thing I can think of is that maybe the OP's hold point was too far back, so pointing too far behind the stand?  But agree that the ref should have clarified beforehand, and not changed after the first two pairs.

 

[Hotshot100]

I shot them as overheads for the first two pairs and missed!  Then turned sideways to take them as crossers and hit the rest (I'm a right hooker).  There was a leftie on my squad who also shot them as crossers with no comments or issues.  Only thing I can think of is that maybe the OP's hold point was too far back, so pointing too far behind the stand?  But agree that the ref should have clarified beforehand, and not changed after the first two pairs.

If the reason was safety why allow the shot to be taken in the first place? After all said and done safety on the stand is the ref's responsibility and he's the one pressing the buttons.

Sounds like this should have gone to the jury. Although there is no right of appeal against lost targets there is one against misinterpretation of the rules.

 

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I shot them as overheads for the first two pairs and missed!  Then turned sideways to take them as crossers and hit the rest (I'm a right hooker).  There was a leftie on my squad who also shot them as crossers with no comments or issues.  Only thing I can think of is that maybe the OP's hold point was too far back, so pointing too far behind the stand?  But agree that the ref should have clarified beforehand, and not changed after the first two pairs.

Quite right....and I think that this was the issue.....

What people have not yet mentioned is that the spectators were walking behind the stand and the hill sloped up....so we were higher than any shooter.

(For the person who asked if it could have been shot as a driven...no it couldn't for the above reason.....and also you cannot shoot out of the back of the cage anyway).

What I thought was interesting......and it was purely a distance optical illusion from where I was stood on stand 3.......were the people walking the footpath down the hill to the left of stand one. It was obviously a measured safe distance. But I was thinking of someone taking a very very late R to L bird......so.....I watched plenty of the shots on that layout and none of the Jerry Walkers dropped dead....or lost a walking stick.

 

[EdSolomons]

Charlie Reffed the stand when I shot it and I took my last pair as high crossers with no comment.

As far as I can see it was safe and no imposed limit so do as you wish!

 

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+1

And campers...For clarity I was answering the chap who asked if you could turn around and take the overhead as a driven.

There was no problem at all with taking them as a crosser.

 

[Salopian]

Another rule that needs to be clarified as you were allowed to shoot a driven pair as a going away pair at the British at Hereford some years ago. If there is any doubt it should have been sorted and signed before the event started and referees briefed.

Common sense says we have a duty of care not to harm or impede the safe passage of competitors and general public.