Safety

[P1Fanatic]

I would think the best thing to do would be to discharge both barrels on the range and then slip it and take it to your gunsmith as its going to need his attention anyway.

Maybe I was overthinking it. I had assumed that whatever problem was stopping the gun from being opened was also stopping them from firing the 2nd barrel.

 

[Sian]

Maybe I was overthinking it. I had assumed that whatever problem was stopping the gun from being opened was also stopping them from firing the 2nd barrel.

I was thinking that way as well.

 

[schmokinn]

Maybe I was overthinking it. I had assumed that whatever problem was stopping the gun from being opened was also stopping them from firing the 2nd barrel.

"I have just heard about a chap who's Perazzi would not open after firing the first cartridge , but not firing the second." didn't sound like he tried which makes it an even dumber thing to do as it may well of opened had he done so?

 

[Sian]

"I have just heard about a chap who's Perazzi would not open after firing the first cartridge , but not firing the second." didn't sound like he tried which makes it an even dumber thing to do as it may well of opened had he done so?

See I didn't read it that way.  I read it that it couldn't be fired not that he did not try to fire it.  As that wording doesn't really tell you either way.

 

[chippy]

If this happened to me i would push a cork in the end of the unfired barrel to stop the shot coming out. 

 

[P1Fanatic]

If this happened to me i would push a cork in the end of the unfired barrel to stop the shot coming out. 

Only if you didn't have a potato to hand right?

 

[Angelfire]

Main thing is to keep the gun pointed downrange - AT ALL TIMES. If it then discharges at least the shot is going where it should go. into the safety zone. Whatever fix is required, just keep the nasty end pointed downrange until it is made safe. It's common sense really. Just stay where you are and don't walk back to your car, canteen, toilet or any other place until it's made safe.

 

[FlyingTrotter]

So if I understand the advice being given here - if one of my Perazzi guns fails to fire the second cartridge and I can neither open the gun nor fire the second cartridge I should:

1) ensure he gun remains in a safe position (that is pointing downwards safely)

2) remain with the gun

3) do not move the gun away from wherever the failure occurred (I've don't walk from the stand back to the car

park/gunshot/reception area or equivalent if game shooting)

4) by some means get a gunsmith to come out to attend to the issue as no one who has posted has been able to offer a suggestion for how the gun might otherwise be made safe

I can only hope I do not encounter this challenging situation 1000 feet or more up on a grouse moor (or frankly anywhere else).

By coincidence I need to speak with a gunsmith about something else next week - I will see if he has any practical input to contribute - guns failing to fire seems to be relatively common (happened to a fellow Gun on my last shoot) but formit to then sieze so the gun cannot be opened (as I read the OP as suggesting had occurred) is a shade more troubling 

 

[westley]

Good job it was NOT an auto, cos we all know how dangerous they are  !   :???:

 

[chippy]

So if I understand the advice being given here - if one of my Perazzi guns fails to fire the second cartridge and I can neither open the gun nor fire the second cartridge I should:

1) ensure he gun remains in a safe position (that is pointing downwards safely)

2) remain with the gun

3) do not move the gun away from wherever the failure occurred (I've don't walk from the stand back to the car

park/gunshot/reception area or equivalent if game shooting)

4) by some means get a gunsmith to come out to attend to the issue as no one who has posted has been able to offer a suggestion for how the gun might otherwise be made safe

I can only hope I do not encounter this challenging situation 1000 feet or more up on a grouse moor (or frankly anywhere else).

By coincidence I need to speak with a gunsmith about something else next week - I will see if he has any practical input to contribute - guns failing to fire seems to be relatively common (happened to a fellow Gun on my last shoot) but formit to then sieze so the gun cannot be opened (as I read the OP as suggesting had occurred) is a shade more troubling 

You can avoid all the above by buying a Beretta.

 

[FlyingTrotter]

In the sense I can bury it and leave it behind presumably - the gun that failed to fire on my last shoot WAS a Beretta ??

 

[chippy]

In the sense I can bury it and leave it behind presumably - the gun that failed to fire on my last shoot WAS a Beretta ??

I bet the owner forgot to put a cartridge in and was too embarrassed to admit it.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

And that was a couple hours after he had finally gotten out of the car he'd locked himself in.

 

[Salopian]

Beretta 's can lock solid and be unable to open if the safety catch is in between top and bottom barrel selection . Push thumb piece to right or left and try to open.

Krieghoff's can stick if trigger mechanism is out of cycle. Try pushing trigger blade forward.

Perazzi's (MX8 removable trigger type) can be opened if you remove trigger unit from gun .

Semi autos can normally be opened if you remove the barrel.

 

[21philc]

My new Beretta trap gun caused me a a little 'scare' on its second outing. Shooting solo on a DTL layout at Bisley, tuning into the gun, 'double-tapping' and going through the shoot a quite a rate. On about target 22 or 23, first barrel fine but for the second the trigger was locked solid, didn't fire, then couldn't open the gun or even apply the safety. So I'm there with a loaded gun, with top barrel set to fire and couldn't do a thing.

So, long story short, after about 15 minutes of keeping it pointed down range, I was finally able to open it as it cooled. That was end of play that day for me....

Sent it back to GMK to sort out.....

I guess my point is that it can happen and, for me, I was luckily able to safely resolve the problem. I'm still wondering what I would have done had It stayed locked solid.......

 

[FlyingTrotter]

Yep seems to be the suggested approach 1) let it cool (2) retry release lever (3) if no joy remove and refit the fore end and try again - obviously all whilst being barrels aware 

that was the advice from a shooting school that sees the issue fairly regularly 

 

[Wonko the Sane]

Semi autos can normally be opened if you remove the barrel.

but you will want to look down it first to make sure there is no obstruction

 

[FlyingTrotter]

Yep - cartridge not discharged - yep obviously ?

 

[Xaphan]

like this guy you mean? 

 

[chippy]

That's a little closer to death than I would feel comfortable with.