Should we abandon 'Bird Only'

[Chard]

* If competion and higher prices came I would either invest in my own clays and a trap or would just shoot on live game only having a good amount of practise behind me already.

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Matt

But this whole thread is about competitions :huh: . We're talking about shooting birds only - in a competition.

 

[Mick.J]

As an alternative, why not just have competition without prize money. A small trophy ought to do. That way everyone saves a bit, and the top minority loose a bit. People should be in it for the sport, and enjoyment, but alas like everything else money takes over in the end. Major competitions may be another matter, but are they not covered by sponsorship to a certain extent?

 

[Maxum]

I think there should be no birds only for cpsa reg shoots. Anyone that wants to shoot for fun and not compete are more than welcome at non reg shoots but if the choose to shoot a reg shoot then they are competing in a comp.

 

[Mike]

A birds only shooter can win a sponsered prize

 

[Les Graham]

A birds only shooter can win a sponsered prize

Do elaborate.

 

[Mike]

If you down load the CPSA rulebook and look on page 5 section 1.5 Target Only entries...all will be revealed.

 

[Maxum]

A birds only shooter can win a sponsered prize

And they have shot well to deserve it but if it was comp only they would also have the cash prize as well ;-))

 

[Mike]

And they have shot well to deserve it but if it was comp only they would also have the cash prize as well ;-))

That's very true. But what harm do B/O shooters do? I think that Salopian was bored when he started this off :huh:

 

[Maxum]

That's very true. But what harm do B/O shooters do? I think that Salopian was bored when he started this off :huh:

None mike I just think if you have joined the cpsa for example then go and shoot reg shoots you are already at a standard to compete with everyone in your class. You obviously want to improve and climb up the class ladder and therefore put time, effort and hard earned cash into doing it so I can't see the point in shooting reg shoots and not being in with a shout at the prizes awarded when on the odd occasion it all comes together and you find yourself with a winning score. If people want to shoot reg and never feel like they would win a thing then if it's a level playing field it won't matter either if it's comp only.

To save £5 on b/ o why would you pay to join the cpsa, then pay the price charged at reg shooting grounds ????

To save money go and shoot at non reg and don't join the cpsa will save you much more money than shooting reg shoots b/o.

Seems simple to me but hey I suppose it will never change so those that shoot b/o can carry on good luck to you all, for me I will still enter comp, pay comp money and sometimes just sometimes come home with some prize money )

Peace. Daz.

 

[Will Hewland]

I can see the logic of most opinions shown in this thread. Die hard comp shots, beginners etc.

Clearly this argument is transitional depending on where you are in your shooting. Whether starting out (hitting 50 or less in C class) or just scraping in to AA, a position of unlikely cash-back exists from comp entry. So BO looks sensible.

I remember doing about 20 shoots in a row at Weston where I did not make the prizes in my class. After about 5 shoots, I went BO and saved £75. Since finding a bit more form, I have reverted to comp entry there, with some reward.

My point? Well when I started this sport I was confused and amazed that BO existed at all! Could not believe it. Surely its a competition and you are either in or out? The trouble is that now that we all see the available option, we are fools if we don't play the system to our best advantage. In other words, BO should perhaps have never been invented; then we would not have the decision to worry over. This would make comp entries a touch cheaper of course..

 

[TobyM]

We need to differentiate between competition and prize money. If one enters birds only, you're still in a competition, you just don't win any money.

Every registered shoot is a competition whether you enter for prize money or not. If it's not a competition then don't count the score or hand your card in.

E.g. you can win a county shoot as a birds-only shooter. You've still won the competition.

 

[Will Hewland]

Not handign your card in is a whole different topic.

I have NEVER not handed it in. I know various shooters that don't, including one good shot who is likely to make AA soon.. Erroneously..

 

[TobyM]

To clarify: if it's not a competition then there's no point in scoring and having your averages calculated. No point in being in the CPSA really.

Not handing one's card was probably a poor analogy and I'm not accusing you of not doing so. That could be another log-winded topic if anyone fancies starting it

 

[jonz]

So if you cut out the prize money, just have a trophy then its still a competition, it could be cheaper to enter as your not putting the

£5 in the pot that most aren't going to win anyway.

Lets face it even if you pick up high gun money at every shoot its not life changing amounts, you'll still have to go to work come Monday morning

You won't have to join the CPSA more savings - Isn't that an arguement to change this topic to "Should we abandon Cash prize money and registered shoots?

Or have I just had one too many red wines

 

[Mike]

We need to differentiate between competition and prize money. If one enters birds only, you're still in a competition, you just don't win any money.

Every registered shoot is a competition whether you enter for prize money or not. If it's not a competition then don't count the score or hand your card in.

E.g. you can win a county shoot as a birds-only shooter. You've still won the competition.

If you shoot competition you are gambling a sum of money in the hope that you will win some back...that's all. I know some very good shots who just shoot birds only but don't hand their card in, they just go to shoot and enjoy it.

I stopped shooting registered sporting years ago, I saw enough cheating and bullying of young refs to decide it's not for me.

 

[Fuzrat]

Bit of a tangent, but related (loosely) What are the collective thoughts about categories also being able to win classes? for instance a lady winning ladies and A class, both paying out cash or a junior in the same way. Seems a bit off that just because you are a young whipper snapper or are blessed with boobies you can have 2 bites of the cherry. Maybe a nomination at booking on, class or category?

 

[tiptop]

Bit of a tangent, but related (loosely) What are the collective thoughts about categories also being able to win classes? for instance a lady winning ladies and A class, both paying out cash or a junior in the same way. Seems a bit off that just because you are a young whipper snapper or are blessed with boobies you can have 2 bites of the cherry. Maybe a nomination at booking on, class or category?

Now thats a good subject often thought that myself

 

[Fuzrat]

just seems strange that an A class shot can win HG but not his class of A as well. My view, it should be the same as HG and 1st AA, cant win both. If you win your class and category then the larger win (probably class) is yours and the category goes to the next in line. Spread the love a bit more and give a bit more of a chance of a pick up for other ladies/juniors bit more incentive for people we want to encourage

 

[RobertBeard]

I imagine that this is because the main competition is Open I.e. open to all. As is normal the ladies and juniors then have their own confined competitions. If they pay extra for those then fine otherwise it's not fair. For example I would expect to pay extra to enter the Veterans competition in addition to the main open shoot.

 

[tiptop]

Does seem strange that they have all these categories and for one entry fee some can end up in more than one.

Granny Oakley could win class, ladies and vets.