Skeet gun

[Will Hewland]

Add to that that in skeet you have pairs moving in opposite directions at 45mph or faster in OS giving a crossing speed of 90mph so you have to overcome the momentum of the gun moving at @45 mph in one direction and have to send it even faster in the opposite direction in order to create the lead to shoot the second target, longer/heavier barrel means more effort/time delay even if the differences are so small they can't be measured.

Chokes, while I can see the argument for a bit of choke on Low 4,5&6 pairs, Low 1 and High 7 are almost on the end of your barrel by the time they're shot so to give the shot the best chance of creating an effective pattern I would think cylinder or skeet given the very short distance,

:

Whoa! The gun isn't moving at 45mph, it is just dealing with a target that might be. The barrels could be anywhere between stopped and moving somewhat, but not at 45mph. Your lead method will control the speed; not the clay.
Low 1 and high seven are frankly so easy to shoot that chokes shouldn't be an issue. Choke for the tougher birds on 4 IMO.

I shot 25 on a round of skeet recently with my 8.75lb 32" sporter, fixed half choke. It was all pretty effortless. It's all about your method. If you feel you are having to overcome gun weight then I believe you are making too much work of it.

NB I am not a regular skeet shooter.

 

[SoR]

Method hold point error method hold point kill bird in same place every time stop thinking about gun................simples

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

 

[Skeet UK]

Thanks everyone, lots to consider, which is why I asked in the first place - to get everyones ideas. Just off a 21hr day wrapping big bale silage so brain isn't functioning too well this morning.

But for now

Happy to work with what I've got right now its a nice combination and I can mostly put the lead in the right bit of sky, no choice anyway.

I was thinking of the ISIS system as a long term thing because when I get the chance I do put a lot of carts through in a session and although I'm not really sensitive to recoil, so many carts has got to have some consequences over time. Also as I understand it the argument against lighter guns is because recoil is more of an issue and I thought the ISIS would go a fair way to eliminating this downside.

Which leads on to the lighter gun thing, my thinking was Skeet pairs & doubles, one the arguments for longer barrels etc is because the more weight further out make it easier to maintain a smoother swing, which is fine but in order to start that movement you have to overcome the guns inertia more weight further out means more effort required to get it moving in the first place. Add to that that in skeet you have pairs moving in opposite directions at 45mph or faster in OS giving a crossing speed of 90mph so you have to overcome the momentum of the gun moving at @45 mph in one direction and have to send it even faster in the opposite direction in order to create the lead to shoot the second target, longer/heavier barrel means more effort/time delay even if the differences are so small they can't be measured.

Chokes, while I can see the argument for a bit of choke on Low 4,5&6 pairs, Low 1 and High 7 are almost on the end of your barrel by the time they're shot so to give the shot the best chance of creating an effective pattern I would think cylinder or skeet given the very short distance, same with stand 8.

Wonko thanks for the heads-up I'll follow that up. I'm about due another Skeet lesson as soon as time allows.

Never been one for what's in vogue prefer to go with what works for me, everything is cyclical anyway, just as long as flares, BIG HAIR (I've no chance now anyway :bye: ), Raleigh choppers &etc., don't make a comeback :sarcastichand:

Wonder how many times some poor sod at FBI, CIA, Homeland has had this thread flagged up :biggrin:

You have to see what works for, of course.

Out of interest, many good shooters in the USA and a few over here, use Kolar. These tend to weigh just over 9 pounds...

 

[Bryn12]

No effort, my work means I'm reasonably fit and strong. I'm sure the top guys could should OS with fully choked 34", but how many of them do? What I'm trying to get at is that it takes more effort to move and change the direction a longer, heavier object than it does a smaller lighter object, so why make things harder for yourself than you need to?

I was completely braindead on the speed thing DOH!! I blame wrapping silage bales til 4am   

 

[Will Hewland]

The whole weight thing is a bit subtle I think. A heavier gun may be 'harder' to get going, but it flows nicely and maybe needs a bit less work to put it in the right place? Light guns need really careful control or they are all over the shop.

 

[Bryn12]

those Kolars are nice looking guns. Price-wise I'm glad I'm quite happy with the my 525s :swoon:

The weight thing is interesting, while the stock for 28" was away I was using the 30" alternating between Trulock flush cylinder (20grams) and Muller U1s (10grams), it sounds daft but it felt and I shot better with the U1s even though they're a nominally tighter choke and add just over 1" in length. Still glad to have the 28" back in action though, it just feels better can't say why though.

 

[Darkside]

The weight thing is interesting, while the stock for 28" was away I was using the 30" alternating between Trulock flush cylinder (20grams) and Muller U1s (10grams), it sounds daft but it felt and I shot better with the U1s even though they're a nominally tighter choke and add just over 1" in length. Still glad to have the 28" back in action though, it just feels better can't say why though.

One word...balance.

 

[Oldabt]

I have a 30inch Multichoke sporter with an adjustable stock and use this to shoot Trap Skeet & Sporting. I just enjoy all the disciplines and find the gun ideal. If I miss then it's not the gun's fault. 

 

[Bryn12]

One word...balance.

Aye its amazing just how small a difference we can sense, even on an unconscious level, the balance point of both guns is almost identical and you wouldn't think a difference of 10grams between sets of chokes would make a difference but it does I suppose its the lever/fulcrum effect magnifying it.

Always the nut behind the butt that does the missing

 

[Wonko the Sane]

I've been told that the Kolar is the best $5K gun that $10K can buy.  That's only hearsay, not experience.