Trap Arms

[Will Hewland]

To post 17 and 18. I was talking about just the arm length in isolation (if you read carefully..). Clearly the way to hurl a clay further is wind the spring up!

 

[EdSolomons]

Never mind that, what about fork 'andles?

 

[Will Hewland]

Never mind that, what about fork 'andles?

Their next registered shoot is June 16th. (Near Newbury)

 

[jake.keeling]

Don't worry I know what you meant Clever, I was just using it in different scenarios, because the goal is to reduce the actual exit speed of the clay but have the clay still making the distance marker and so give a smoother more shootable target. Obviously using speed guns is another option and when I've seen them used, the targets always have to be slowed down.

 

[Will Hewland]

Yes, I guess it's a whole different science with trap disciplines, due to desired uniformity on different days and venues. (We hedgies just want them all the same on the day then it is over).

 

[jake.keeling]

I used to be a hedge monkey and still am a bit. Yes consistency of target for everyone is all that really matters for that game, the main enemy of this is gusty wind.

 

[ips]

Yes, I guess it's a whole different science with trap disciplines, due to desired uniformity on different days and venues. (We hedgies just want them all the same on the day then it is over).

We desire it but never get it. You would think that as long as grounds set the targets correctly then they would all be the same but.... no two layouts are ever the same even on the same ground on the same day. Many things can vary a little and become evident, target speed, target angles, background etc

Sometimes the targets vary that much its like shooting sporting.

 

[** Pending Removal **]

Well those in the know ...know that there is a lot more to it than winding a spring. Plus there are springs and there are springs...just like there are arms and there are arms :smile: ...and there is the time to know when a spring is not a spring any more....

Just like those in the know....know the way to hit a golf ball..... is with timing and not just hit it as hard as you can with brute force.

With clays it is an art, you throw a clay from a trap arm,......... it is done with good machines and it is done with bad machines,........ but it is normally done with skill when done by someone who knows about traps. 

....true story (for those who remember how good manual traps are / were) :smile:

 

[Will Hewland]

The issue with coil springs is that they vary in manufacturing tolerances. On race car suspension they are managed very carefully and calibrated. More importantly springs lose their force with use and are physically shorter over time, so it is something that cannot be forgotten about.

At RBSS, those super quick clays in the grouse are all from hand traps. RBSS say they can't get the speed with auto traps.

 

[clayclouter]

Have you lot thought about a trip to SWITZERLAND WITH DIGNITAS??!!

 

[Will Hewland]

Have you lot thought about a trip to SWITZERLAND WITH DIGNITAS??!!

I tried to take your place but its a firm booking.. Your family insist.

 

[clayclouter]

You obviously dont know my family, they are not that patient !!!!!

 

[jwpzx9r]

I think a longer arm will require a stronger spring to throw a clay from a trap at the same speed assuming the clays are the same. Its simple mechanics, increase the length of the arm then to maintain the speed you must increase the effort otherwise in effect you are creating energy without putting any in which is of course impossible. In essence the person who said the spring is the arbiter in determining the clay speed is correct energy in equals speed out! You nowt for nowt! 

 

[clayclouter]

They are casting for the new series of the Big Bang Theory ,I think you lot would walk it no sweat!!

 

[DAG]

No Ed four candles, what about the hose !

 

[ips]

I dont give a stuff if its long or short as long as the darned thing is hittable

 

[Dog Tyred]

They are casting for the new series of the Big Bang Theory ,I think you lot would walk it no sweat!!

Bazzinger!!

 

[Michael]

Have you lot thought about a trip to SWITZERLAND WITH DIGNITAS??!!

Do they make good springs then?   :haha:  

 

[jake.keeling]

I think a longer arm will require a stronger spring to throw a clay from a trap at the same speed assuming the clays are the same. Its simple mechanics, increase the length of the arm then to maintain the speed you must increase the effort otherwise in effect you are creating energy without putting any in which is of course impossible. In essence the person who said the spring is the arbiter in determining the clay speed is correct energy in equals speed out! You nowt for nowt!

Yes I know, but the bit that I was interested in was the spin speed or angular momentum which is different to forward speed and which stabilises and carries the clay further. Try putting a thick black line across an orange clay and you will see it and if you're sad enough to do this like me, you can then make appointment with Dignitas!