UT gun hold points

[PhilR]

I'm sorry if I tell you where my hold points are for UT and ABT I'll have to kill you afterwards  :wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[ips]

Only my opinion of course.

DT

​And mine..

 

[ips]

I'm sorry if I tell you where my hold points are for UT and ABT I'll have to kill you afterwards  :wink: :wink: :wink:

​I know cos I have seen but I cant tell anyone as I have taken the Philr oath  :wink:

 

[Dog Tyred]

Wish he'd tell me

DT

 

[40UP]

I've taken a new pupil in the last month from 67 at UT to 92 and from 70 at ABT to 92 and no it wasn't Dog Tyred - he went to 94. If only I paid the same attention to my own shooting.

:afro:

 

[Dog Tyred]

I've taken a new pupil in the last month from 67 at UT to 92 and from 70 at ABT to 92 and no it wasn't Dog Tyred - he went to 94. If only I paid the same attention to my own shooting.

:afro:

​Don't forget the 88 at OT

And I shall always be eternally grateful :bow:

Now if we could just sort out Harry !

DT 

 

[PhilR]

I've taken a new pupil in the last month from 67 at UT to 92 and from 70 at ABT to 92 and no it wasn't Dog Tyred - he went to 94. If only I paid the same attention to my own shooting.

:afro:

​Physician, heal thyself .........

 

[40UP]

The main gains seem to be from stance [putting that particular shooter in balance] and from plan - if you can get the shooter absorbed in the method, he forgets the difficulty of hitting the target.  Another who asked me to look over his high gun hold returned within the hour to say he'd just done his first 23 at OT in five years. They also develop a grin from ear to ear.

:ahappy:

 

[40UP]

​Don't forget the 88 at OT

And I shall always be eternally grateful :bow:

Now if we could just sort out Harry !

DT

​If Harry takes up his place in the GB Juniors for Ychoux I believe he should make no changes until then [he did outshoot you the last day at Beverley] only as much practice as you can get, exams allowing.

 

[Wonko the Sane]

​Absolutely right Charlie. However in the case of UT (and ABT for that matter) if you hold the gun directly at or above the mark when on peg 1 and look 2 feet above the gun you are actually looking about 3 feet to the right of theoretical cross over point. Makes those extreme left targets a bitch to see quickly.

Be interesting to see how John gets on trying this at the weekend

Only my opinion of course.

DT

​Absolutely - exactly what I was trying to say.  Eyes and gun have no need to be in the same place at all.  And you only need to check out sporting for the extreme case.

 

[ips]

Ah now personally I do not agree. I can only make it happen if I am looking were my poi is if I look away from that point I am stuffed 

 

[Wonko the Sane]

                                  !! POI ?!?!?!

 

[ips]

I know it was risky to mention

 

[balltrap]

POI ho fook not that again 

 

[ips]

Listen it's written in forum guidelines that poi has to be mentioned at least weekly and I for one play by the rules.

 

[Dog Tyred]

The POA relates to the COP which is directly proportional to the PUP which governs the POI

I think

DT

 

[balltrap]

You lads need to get a life and take up fishing  :huh:

 

[jwpzx9r]

Ah that is where I am going wrong I do not look where my gun is pointing. You get a good sense of how people do things differently. I put my gun on my gun hold point and then move my eyes and look to where I expect to see the target. I then lock on to the target and swing the gun and let is have it at the right moment which just happens because it does?? I will be seeing the coach who watched me shoot the other weekend and will ask his opinion. He seemed to be happy with what he saw but then I did not tell him my technique he does not really know me but coaches another shooter who was shooting after me and took it upon himself to watch me in the mean time... quite complimentary about my shooting, though which pleased, and let me know exactly what he saw me do wrong. But I really wonder at the end of the day is there a right way and a wrong way to do it or is it a case of what works for some is alien to others. I don't know being new as it were to shooting but down here I see the strangest sight of people contorting themselves into all sorts of shapes while shooting but getting great scores... it is disturbing  

 

[Wonko the Sane]

John, what you are already doing is excellent technique.  Thinking you need the barrel in the target view is not going to be a good thing.

Don't let the deficiencies of others give you pause.

 

[ips]

The recent issf video of larnaca mens final has excellent face on footage and what I see is every finalist appears to be looking pretty much down the rib also worth mentioning that all but diamond had a very high gun hold. 

I personally see no benefit of looking anywere other than just above or around the barrell in trap shooting. 

It is widely regarded that the gun should shoot were you look then all you need do is look for the target and sub concious pulls the trigger.  If you look way above from my experience you can leave the gun behind and or shoot under unless your poi is ridiculously high.

I had a play today with hold and focus point. Only looking just above the bead gave me 25 25 OT one second barrell in high wind and changeable light. Looking about 1m high but high hold gave me a 24 with about six seconds all other methods were poor.

Just my take on it however renato lamera does seem to advocate quite a high focus and gun on mark. It doesn't work for me and goes to show there is NO right or wrong way to shoot.