Winchester Select energy sporting?

[Santa2512]

Just came accross this new (old?) model  whilst on my daily search,

Anyone know what there like to shoot?  reliablity etc.

I see there part of the Mirook / Browning stable (.)

I held the non adjustable version a few weeks ago, and it felt ok,  (might nip back to my local dealer and have another swinging session today)

I'm guessing styling isnt going to be everyones cup of tea, .,

Mart

 

[garry2749]

looks nice old winchester was a good gun dont no anything about new stuff think there made by

Browning so should be well reliable,

 

[Hotshot100]

They're not as good as the most of the other guns from the BWM stable. You'd be much better off looking at a MK 38 or one of the Browning's built on the same action.

 

[Skeetfreak]

My wife uses one as her "have a bit of fun gun" when she wants a break from using her competition gun shooting her chosen trap disciplines. She really likes it and has been able to shoot it well at skeet / sporting etc. The gun is well built and reliable so far (couple of thousand shells) and given it mainly gets used in winter during the off season has held up well enough maintenance wise.

The chokes work well and are easy to change and clearly marked with the constrictions.

The chequering is easy on the hands

The gun balances well enough given its price point Overall a nice purchase for a "fun" gun but not what i would want as a competition thoroughbred.

One issue we did get initially is that the adjustable comb has a tendency to be difficult to lock in place and can move / drop - you need to put washers / spacers underneath to keep it level and in place at the right height.

 

[Santa2512]

They're not as good as the most of the other guns from the BWM stable. You'd be much better off looking at a MK 38 or one of the Browning's built on the same action.

Indeed,  its a toss up between a  SH Browning  Ultra XS, or the Winchester

my heart says new,    and at that price..... its a tough one

Mart

 

[Santa2512]

My wife uses one as her "have a bit of fun gun" when she wants a break from using her competition gun shooting her chosen trap disciplines. She really likes it and has been able to shoot it well at skeet / sporting etc. The gun is well built and reliable so far (couple of thousand shells) and given it mainly gets used in winter during the off season has held up well enough maintenance wise. The chokes work well and are easy to change and clearly marked with the constrictions. The checkering is easy on the hands The gun balances well enough given its price point Overall a nice purchase for a "fun" gun but not what i would want as a competition thoroughbred. One issue we did get initially is that the adjustable comb has a tendancy to be difficult to lock in place and can move / drop - you need to put washers / spacers underneath to keep it level and in place at the right hieght.

May be best if i treat it for tun, 

If i  can get to grips as a fun gun, it should stand me in good stead for somthing better later on

Mart

 

[Aspire]

Ultra XS,hands down,any day of the week!

 

[FloaterSi]

Ultra XS,hands down,any day of the week!

agreed

 

[kevin]

I would choose a used Browning,i have just tried a Winchester at the my club here and found it to be too light for me. It´s well made for what it costs appart from the wood that looks like a plastic film on cheap wood. It was a sporter and shoots a little too flat/low for my likeing but a big plus point is the very low recoil.

 

[Hotshot100]

Ultra XS,hands down,any day of the week!

Seconded

 

[jwpzx9r]

I think you should be careful as to what you need , what you want and what you can afford. A good second hand Mk38, XS , XTR or 682  could be a better buy because you should never really need to replace it with something better later on based purely on performance. Buy it right buy it once! Now that could apply to a Perazzi but I don't think you really need one nor do most people come to that! But a good second hand shotgun that's a keeper makes more sense, to me any way, than a poorer new one that you will want to replace sooner rather than later. Just a very honest opinion.

 

[Les53]

Seconded

+2

 

[Santa2512]

Arghhh    more curveballs

Mk38 - Tried to thumpy for me

525 - Nice, but  need to have comb work done

Cynergy - nice - low recoil but comb shape not nice

Silver pigeon - Nice but needs comb work

Ultra XS - nice but a tad heavy & not sure if its what i really want to commit  to

DT10 - heavy and recoil would start to grate after a while

Swung a winchester select field instore today, felt nice and smooth  but needs an adjustable comb, to give me some cast & height

I'm not a fan of heavy guns, and guess i'm sensitive to recoil.

Also being brutally honest,  with all the  SH items littered around my garage that just need a tweak, ive ended up paying out more than the item was new when it comes to buying SH.  so i'd rather buy new if poss  ( warranty etc).

Hmmmmm   do i go for a drive tommorow or not ?

Mart

 

[Hotshot100]

Arghhh    more curveballs

Mk38 - Tried to thumpy for me

525 - Nice, but  need to have comb work done

Cynergy - nice - low recoil but comb shape not nice

Silver pigeon - Nice but needs comb work

Ultra XS - nice but a tad heavy & not sure if its what i really want to commit  to

DT10 - heavy and recoil would start to grate after a while

Swung a winchester select field instore today, felt nice and smooth  but needs an adjustable comb, to give me some cast & height

I'm not a fan of heavy guns, and guess i'm sensitive to recoil.

Also being brutally honest,  with all the  SH items littered around my garage that just need a tweak, ive ended up paying out more than the item was new when it comes to buying SH.  so i'd rather buy new if poss  ( warranty etc).

Hmmmmm   do i go for a drive tommorow or not ?

Mart

Try getting a gun that fits if you're having recoil problems. MK 38's are definitely not thumpy and I've had several.

Absolutely nothing wrong with buying a good secondhand gun, makes more sense than buying a lesser quality new one.

If you're looking at a field grade gun for clay shooting then you will have to live with recoil.

 

[jwpzx9r]

I'm not a fan of heavy guns, and guess i'm sensitive to recoil.

Also being brutally honest,  with all the  SH items littered around my garage that just need a tweak, ive ended up paying out more than the item was new when it comes to buying SH.  so i'd rather buy new if poss  ( warranty etc).

Hmmmmm   do i go for a drive tommorow or not ?

Mart

You are putting yourself in a bad place to be honest regarding gun weight and recoil. Newton's laws of motion dictates that a light gun will recoil more than a heavy gun nobody can escape that if you are using the same cartridges, chokes and the bores are close. As regards so so new vs good second hand I suspect I would not be the only person to tell you a good second hand gun is nothing to worry about and will easily out last the allure of a shine new but inferior gun. Or if I may be so bold as to put it a slightly different way as a person I would far rather turn up at the shooting ground with a second hand but good 682 than a shiny new Winchester, which most experience shooters know is not a good gun any way... in other words you won't be impressing anybody using the newer gun. 

 

[Skeet UK]

Indeed,  its a toss up between a  SH Browning  Ultra XS, or the Winchester

my heart says new,    and at that price..... its a tough one

Mart

 

[Skeetfreak]

In reality it is TOTALLY up to you and you are having the opportunity to try various guns before you buy. Shooters will offer loads of differing reasons for the gun they prefer and that was their choice not yours.

According to my wife the Winchester is a great bit of fun - but she would never dream of using it as her SERIOUS competition gun - in fact she has not even taken it with her as a back up gun to Slovenia this week. It is purely a "fun gun" to break a few targets over winter down the local club enjoying time shooting together instead of at differing ends of the country like we do over summer.

So all in all it is horses for courses - decide what you want to gun for and also your personality - if you are even slightly ambitious and see yourself getting into competition shooting then make a purchase to suit that future.

As for recoil etc - the people above are right recoil is perceived and is very individual but all in all there are a few things that will affect it:-

gun mount and stance

gun fit

gun weight and balance

cartridges used

In a nutshell ANY gun (S/H or NEW) you buy will likely need work to achieve "good" the above. Your a reasonably new shooter so still working on your stance and mount, you will not really be aware of gun fit as yet and will more than likely be fitting yourself to the gun your using which is never a good combination. Weight and balance will feel alien right now as having this 30" metal object poking out in front of your face is not some thing your used to holding out there so anything will feel heavy.

Then cartridges is another huge subject which depending on your sensitivity to recoil will alter which you choose and why as even differing rates of powder burn can alter how each INDIVIDUAL feels recoil from the same shells.

Initially light feels good in a gun as it swings and handles but if the trade off is increased recoil then this will wear you down over a day of shooting and be as much of a pain (if not more than carrying a heavier gun). As a novice a 8lb gun will feel alien and heavy but soon enough this will begin to disappear to the point you don't notice it.

I love a heavy gun - in fact depending on the set up mine will top out at over 10lb but closed and in my hands breaking targets it feels ace, smooth, well balanced and a great fit. Plus i then get the advantage of feeling next to no recoil.

The guns you list above DT10, MK38, Brownings are serious thoroughbred winning competition guns in the hands of multiple people the world over make no mistake about it. But you have to make your own mind up as its your cash and only really you know what your comfortable with.

 

[Kentskeet]

Arghhh more curveballs

Mk38 - Tried to thumpy for me

525 - Nice, but need to have comb work done

Cynergy - nice - low recoil but comb shape not nice

Silver pigeon - Nice but needs comb work

Ultra XS - nice but a tad heavy & not sure if its what i really want to commit to

DT10 - heavy and recoil would start to grate after a while

Swung a winchester select field instore today, felt nice and smooth but needs an adjustable comb, to give me some cast & height

I'm not a fan of heavy guns, and guess i'm sensitive to recoil.

Also being brutally honest, with all the SH items littered around my garage that just need a tweak, ive ended up paying out more than the item was new when it comes to buying SH. so i'd rather buy new if poss ( warranty etc).

Hmmmmm do i go for a drive tommorow or not ?

Mart

Got to be a wind up surely? just dismissed 95% of everyday winning competition shotguns !If you want something light and minimal recoil with no fussing buy an auto with an adjustable stock.

 

[SoR]

Arghhh more curveballs
Mk38 - Tried to thumpy for me
525 - Nice, but need to have comb work done
Cynergy - nice - low recoil but comb shape not nice
Silver pigeon - Nice but needs comb work
Ultra XS - nice but a tad heavy & not sure if its what i really want to commit to
DT10 - heavy and recoil would start to grate after a while
Swung a winchester select field instore today, felt nice and smooth but needs an adjustable comb, to give me some cast & height
I'm not a fan of heavy guns, and guess i'm sensitive to recoil.
Also being brutally honest, with all the SH items littered around my garage that just need a tweak, ive ended up paying out more than the item was new when it comes to buying SH. so i'd rather buy new if poss ( warranty etc).
Hmmmmm do i go for a drive tommorow or not ?
MartGot to be a wind up surely? just dismissed 95% of everyday winning competition shotguns !
If you want something light and minimal recoil with no fussing buy an auto with an adjustable stock.

My dt10x is a very heavy version of the gun and recoil is minimal although I do use smooth carts...fblaks