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Guerini Guy
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"There is no reason why practical rifle cannot be carried out with bolt action rifles or using small-bore semi-autos"
Robert, unfortunately it is obvious that you don't know too much about the Practical Disciplines. Whilst I always respect your point of view, I have to point out that the entire principle of Practical Shooting is based upon Accuracy, Power and Speed. Hence motto of the International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC) : - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas (DVC)
There is a formula (happily done quickly by a computer programme), where your target points scored is divided, or multiplied, or whatever, by the time taken to shoot the course of fire, with the power factor of the calibre being used. This calculation provides each competitor with a number of stage points (usually approx 18 x stages shot in a whole match over a couple of days) and it is the accumulation of stage points which will determine the winner.
So, as you can see, using a bolt action rifle simply will not cut the mustard in terms of speed. Likewise, multiple shot shotguns are used in Practical Shotgun, and semi auto pistols are mostly used in Practical Pistol, although there is also a Revolver Division within each match, for those who prefer to master the old wheel gun.
You are right that a short form of Practical Rifle does still exist in UK, I think referred to as Mini Rifle, using semi auto Rimfire, but naturally due to the lack of power it does restrict the types and distances of targets being shot. As you say, better than nothing, but part of the enjoyment to me is trying to obtain the skill to accurately control the larger calibre's.
I don't see what is wrong with that, and I say again that it appears to be acceptable in every country in Europe, apart from mainland UK. Why is it that just we are considered untrustworthy?
Also, your comment regarding the conversion of semi auto to full auto is a bit of a red herring . . . . . . what is it that people don't understand, that the criminal community can and do obtain full auto weapons anyway !!!
Robert, unfortunately it is obvious that you don't know too much about the Practical Disciplines. Whilst I always respect your point of view, I have to point out that the entire principle of Practical Shooting is based upon Accuracy, Power and Speed. Hence motto of the International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC) : - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas (DVC)
There is a formula (happily done quickly by a computer programme), where your target points scored is divided, or multiplied, or whatever, by the time taken to shoot the course of fire, with the power factor of the calibre being used. This calculation provides each competitor with a number of stage points (usually approx 18 x stages shot in a whole match over a couple of days) and it is the accumulation of stage points which will determine the winner.
So, as you can see, using a bolt action rifle simply will not cut the mustard in terms of speed. Likewise, multiple shot shotguns are used in Practical Shotgun, and semi auto pistols are mostly used in Practical Pistol, although there is also a Revolver Division within each match, for those who prefer to master the old wheel gun.
You are right that a short form of Practical Rifle does still exist in UK, I think referred to as Mini Rifle, using semi auto Rimfire, but naturally due to the lack of power it does restrict the types and distances of targets being shot. As you say, better than nothing, but part of the enjoyment to me is trying to obtain the skill to accurately control the larger calibre's.
I don't see what is wrong with that, and I say again that it appears to be acceptable in every country in Europe, apart from mainland UK. Why is it that just we are considered untrustworthy?
Also, your comment regarding the conversion of semi auto to full auto is a bit of a red herring . . . . . . what is it that people don't understand, that the criminal community can and do obtain full auto weapons anyway !!!
watchman
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Hi Brian as much I agree you are entitled to your point of view it is that kind of I'm alright jack mentality that may one day cost you your sport as it did others in 96, I hope for the sake of your particular type of shooting that never happens and you dont have to call on the backing of other shooting sports to help defend your corner.
Having had to stop pistol shooting due to the ban I can appreciate some of the comments expressed. I would like to see the ownership of competition pistols reinstated but I’m not holding my breath. The modern politician is not interested in assisting the shooting community as it is not a vote catcher in the same way as giving benefits and overseas aid. There are not many well-paid jobs in the shooting industry compared to the EU. Allot of the general public still associate the ownership of guns to be in the realm of the upper classes and must be suppressed at any cost. Yes we all know that gun crime is carried out by the criminal fraternity but to the general population they cannot seem to differentiate between legally held weapons and illegally held ones, only that all guns kill and must therefore all be banned. This country has changed so much in the last 50 years that I fear gun ownership will be much harder in the future than it is now. Instead of trying to repeal the loss of centre fire auto loading rifles which would be used by only a small percentage of shooters we should be trying to build on what we have and keep beneath the radar of the politicians and the media. I am more concerned that the police can now access medical records of people and use them to refuse applications for both shotguns and rifles. The notion of one association to look after shooters interests is also pie in the sky as they all have self-interest at heart. To be a big fish in a small pond is preferable to being a little fish in a big pond. Sorry if I seem a cynic. I would love to return to the days when I started shooting in the 1950’s but society changes and we must learn to adapt or go under.
MikeB
MikeB
PhilS
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I am more concerned that the police can now access medical records of people and use them to refuse applications for both shotguns and rifles.
The police cannot just access your medical records as they wish.
They can ask pertenent questions of your GP with regard to mental health and prescribed medications and also ask the GP if they know of a reason why you shouldn't be granted your SGC/FAC, but do not have general access to your medical records.
Phil
Mike,
The police cannot just access your medical records as they wish.
They can ask pertenent questions of your GP with regard to mental health and prescribed medications and also ask the GP if they know of a reason why you shouldn't be granted your SGC/FAC, but do not have general access to your medical records.
Phil
PhilS
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Mike,
No need to apologise whatsoever mate.
This forum is about friendly discussion and information, but most of all enjoyment and fluffy rabbits (the system automatically puts fluffy rabbits when you type b.a.n.t.e.r.). :hi:
Phil
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