1 shot 2 birds - what happehns?

[Skeet UK]

. what have I started? I was specifically referring to the case where it is obvious that your first shot broke both clays in the pair as they were shot very close together. It has only happened twice in about 10 rounds of skeet with 5 shooters but caused confusion each time.

I will go with the retake pair no shot established until such time as I enter a comp (a long way off haha) and then I can ask the ref beforehand

Cheers

Simon

The initial enquiry.

So we are all correct, regarding the different situations that we are all addressing.

 

[RobertBeard]

I will go with the retake pair no shot established until such time as I enter a comp (a long way off haha) and then I can ask the ref beforehand

Cheers

Simon

That's not a good idea as the bad thoughts that you talk about and think about before and during a competition tend to happen.

You should think only positive thoughts of success - nothing negative

 

[Hawkeye]

The initial enquiry.

So we are all correct, regarding the different situations that we are all addressing.

I don't know what other's were addressing , I was answering the ORIGINAL question

 

[Hawkeye]

As an ESK Ref I agree with GG.

If it is clear that the second target was broken by fragments of the first and not hit directly I would give pair again first bird established.  If the pair are clearly hit with the first shot then it's pair again nothing established, do it 3 times and it's pair lost.

IIRC the one thing a Jury will not overturn it's a referees decision after the fact.  If you have an issue with the referees opinion you should put your hand up and dispute it there and then.  Referees are generally in favour of the shooter.

Jon.

If you are a qualified National Skeet ref , you should know that your comment above is wrong.  If the pair is clearly hit with the first shot then it's pair again nothing established , do it 3 times and the result should be first target hit , second target lost , not as you said pair lost. Your view's would be appreciated as I'm only a shooter, your the ref

 

[JonSkeet2]

Sorry, you are correct.  I was typing in a hurry as someone came into my office

 

[P1Fanatic]

As an ESK Ref I agree with GG.

If it is clear that the second target was broken by fragments of the first and not hit directly I would give pair again first bird established.  If the pair are clearly hit with the first shot then it's pair again nothing established, do it 3 times and it's pair lost.

IIRC the one thing a Jury will not overturn it's a referees decision after the fact.  If you have an issue with the referees opinion you should put your hand up and dispute it there and then.  Referees are generally in favour of the shooter.

Jon.

My heads hurts now reading all this .. So your reply above is incorrect and you do actually agree with GG's original opinion from competition experience that if the referee believes 2nd bird was broken with the 1st shot then its:

PAIR AGAIN   -   FIRST BIRD ONLY ESTABLISHED

If the referee believes that the second target was hit first and bits of clay then broke the first, then it is : -

PAIR AGAIN   -   FIRST TARGET LOST

Cheers

Simon

 

[Hawkeye]

the English Skeet Club rule is so much easier for everyone to understand and that's why i asked the CPSA last year to adopt it. I was told it would be considered for the 2013 rule book. 

 

[WelshKen]

So many people getting confused.. .

Hit both birds with the first shot, pair again nothing established.

Hit first bird, and bits of said bird break 2nd bird, pair again first bird established as a kill.

Last few comps I've done, I've seen ref's give competitors benefit of the doubt and declare first bird hit, when they clearly 'were not' to other squad members.

I really can't blame the ref's as often it's difficult to tell, and they don't want agro from said shooters.. :spiteful: